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<div class="PlainText">Paul,<br>
<br>
But of course, While Wend went out with the <br>
Commodore-64 and has been deprecated for a couple <br>
decades, and should never have appeared in <br>
E-Basic at all (see my comments at <br>
<a title="https://groups.google.com/d/topic/e-prime/JXcYIfRPWVE" href="https://groups.google.com/d/topic/e-prime/JXcYIfRPWVE" target="_parent">https://groups.google.com/d/topic/e-prime/JXcYIfRPWVE</a> <br>
and <a title="http://www.pstnet.com/forum/Topic3215-9-1.aspx" href="http://www.pstnet.com/forum/Topic3215-9-1.aspx" target="_parent">www.pstnet.com/forum/Topic3215-9-1.aspx</a> <br>
). What if you use the more modern Do Loop? E.g.,<br>
<br>
Dim n As Integer<br>
Do While False<br>
n = 1<br>
Loop<br>
<br>
I don't have any sympathy for crashes that result from use of While Wend :).<br>
<br>
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At 10/10/2013 12:02 PM Thursday, Paul Groot wrote:<br>
>I also worked on several scripts that had <br>
>stability issues when editing in EStudio (XP and <br>
>W7). I think some of those problems only occur <br>
>under specific circumstances or in specific <br>
>scripts. However, in most cases it seems hard to <br>
>reproduce the crashes. So, pressing the save <br>
>button every now and then has become standard <br>
>practice for me. However, here is another nice <br>
>(reproducible) demonstration of a problem in <br>
>EStudio, which took me some time to isolate from <br>
>a larger script. This case is related to a bug in the ScriptSense option:<br>
><br>
>- open estudio and start with an empty script<br>
>- open windows task manager to monitor cpu usage of estudio<br>
>- add an inline script object to SessionProc and enter the following code:<br>
><br>
>Dim n As Integer<br>
>While False<br>
> n = 1<br>
>Wend<br>
><br>
>Note that an empty line at the top of the script <br>
>seems to be essential. Although this problem is <br>
>not very apparent, the high CPU-load could <br>
>cause time accuracy issues when running a script directly from EStudio.<br>
><br>
>Best<br>
>Paul<br>
><br>
><br>
>On 10 October 2013 16:59, David Vinson <br>
><<<a title="mailto:d.vinson@ucl.ac.uk%3Ed.vinson@ucl.ac.uk" href="mailto:d.vinson@ucl.ac.uk>d.vinson@ucl.ac.uk" target="_parent">mailto:d.vinson@ucl.ac.uk>d.vinson@ucl.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
>Hi Michiel,<br>
><br>
>I'm still plodding along using an XP box for my <br>
>main development platform, EP Pro latest version <br>
>and it seems to be much more stable than you've <br>
>experienced: P(crash per 1hr) << 5%. Although I <br>
>haven't done anything particularly unusual or exploratory lately.<br>
><br>
>I have had quite a few crashes on running during <br>
>development - the usual difficulties getting <br>
>videos to work; loading nested Lists from file; <br>
>but none of these are related to e-studio stability.<br>
><br>
>Copy-pasting from multiple open experiments, no <br>
>problem at all; dragging objects around, ditto. <br>
>No weird red X's either. Probably your <br>
>development and mine is comparing apples and <br>
>oranges, but my rate of crashes within E-Studio <br>
>2.x has been pretty constant (and low) for quite <br>
>some time. Maybe it's more stable on XP?<br>
><br>
>Obviously this isn't much of a long term <br>
>solution given the impending end of support for <br>
>XP and perhaps some strong institutional <br>
>pressure to move on.... I'd be interested to <br>
>know about others' experiences too.<br>
><br>
>best,<br>
>DV<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>On 10/10/2013 14:20, Cognitology wrote:<br>
><br>
>Hi,<br>
><br>
>Given that E-Prime 2 is now pretty much a final <br>
>release, I was wondering how many of you feel it <br>
>remains **particularly** instable? I mean, <br>
>E-Studio (2, pro), latest version, and I don’t <br>
>stupid crashes (say, recursively calling the <br>
>sessionproc from a list within sessionproc). Just things like<br>
><br>
><br>
>·Writing inline:<br>
><br>
>Try typing:<br>
><br>
>/*<br>
><br>
>Hoppa<br>
><br>
>*/.<br>
><br>
>Works! Automatically becomes<br>
><br>
>‘/*<br>
><br>
>‘Hoppa<br>
><br>
>‘*/.<br>
><br>
>Now commented out. However, type in an inline (not the user part)<br>
><br>
>‘/*<br>
><br>
>Hoppa<br>
><br>
>*/....CRASH!<br>
><br>
>·Just dragging objects around, adding <br>
>attributes, all sorts of randomness. Sometimes, <br>
>there are nice big red crosses where graphics usually are.<br>
><br>
>The latter is the more annoying part. In <br>
>general, when I’m developing something, on both <br>
>my laptop and home pc (both win7prox64), this <br>
>happens. In my experience, in fact, most people, <br>
>even if they are very experienced, have random <br>
>stability issues with e-studio. My question then <br>
>is: does the list have similar issues? Say, if <br>
>you’ve been doing some development, what is the <br>
>chance that e-prime will crash within 60 <br>
>minutes? I’m estimating it at 80% here.<br>
><br>
>Cheers,<br>
><br>
>Michiel<br>
><br>
>Michiel Sovijärvi-Spapé<br>
><br>
>Helsinki Institute for Information Technology<br>
><br>
>Aalto & Helsingin Yliopisto,<br>
><br>
>Finland<br>
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>On 10 October 2013 17:54, David McFarlane <br>
><<<a title="mailto:mcfarla9@msu.edu%3Emcfarla9@msu.edu" href="mailto:mcfarla9@msu.edu>mcfarla9@msu.edu" target="_parent">mailto:mcfarla9@msu.edu>mcfarla9@msu.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
>Michiel,<br>
><br>
>Good question, and I am eager to hear from <br>
>others. I have encouraged users at my location <br>
>to move up to EP2.0.10, but that's going slowly, <br>
>and we do run into some troubles because we have <br>
>to get used to new ways of doing things in <br>
>EP2.0.10. So I do not have a lot of development <br>
>experience with it yet, my experience so far is <br>
>mostly instructional and explorational. Based <br>
>only on that, I like EP2.0.10 a lot, it <br>
>introuduces a *lot* of good features, even some <br>
>of the problems turn out to be features once <br>
>they are properly understood (Generate PreRun is <br>
>one of those, and I will mention another below).<br>
><br>
>Now to address a couple points in particular.<br>
><br>
>First, EP2 is not just "pretty much" a final <br>
>release, it *is* officially a final release since EP2.0.10.242.<br>
><br>
>And your commenting example... Yes, that <br>
>trippped me up at first too, and it breaks one <br>
>of the exercises in my video course, and I found <br>
>it very annoying because I used /* */ a lot to <br>
>comment things out & in. But try the <br>
>following: Select some lines of code. Now <br>
>press Ctrl+' (that's the Ctrl key along with the <br>
>apostrophe key). See all those lines get <br>
>commented with a "'" added to the start? Now <br>
>for the fun part, with those lines still <br>
>selected, press Ctrl+Shift+' -- see all those <br>
>lines now become uncommented? Now press Ctrl+' <br>
>twice -- see it add two "'" at the start of each <br>
>line? Then press Ctrl+Shift+' once, then twice, <br>
>to see it remove each leading "'" in <br>
>turn. Pretty cool, huh? I sure thought so once <br>
>I figured it out. So much easier than "/* <br>
>*/"! Now I just use "''" (double "'") to mark <br>
>provisional lines during development, I can <br>
>easily search for "''" throughout the program <br>
>later to fix up those lines before final release <br>
>of a program. Etc. So this is one of those <br>
>"problems" that is really a feature.<br>
><br>
>Once again, PST makes a pretty good product, but <br>
>utterly fails to explain it well enough to <br>
>customers. Just business as usual for them, but <br>
>opening opportunities for people like me.<br>
><br>
>-----<br>
>David McFarlane<br>
>E-Prime training <br>
>online: <br>
><<a title="http://psychology.msu.edu/Workshops_Courses/eprime.aspx" href="http://psychology.msu.edu/Workshops_Courses/eprime.aspx" target="_parent">http://psychology.msu.edu/Workshops_Courses/eprime.aspx</a>>http://psychology.msu.edu/Workshops_Courses/eprime.aspx<br>
>Twitter: @EPrimeMaster <br>
>(<<a title="https://twitter.com/EPrimeMaster" href="https://twitter.com/EPrimeMaster" target="_parent">https://twitter.com/EPrimeMaster</a>>https://twitter.com/EPrimeMaster )<br>
><br>
>/----<br>
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>At 10/10/2013 09:20 AM Thursday, Cognitology wrote:<br>
>Given that E-Prime 2 is now pretty much a final <br>
>release, I was wondering how many of you feel it <br>
>remains *particularly* instable? I mean, <br>
>E-Studio (2, pro), latest version, and I don’t <br>
>stupid crashes (say, recursively calling the <br>
>sessionproc from a list within sessionproc). Just things like<br>
>· Writing inline:<br>
>Try typing:<br>
>/*<br>
>Hoppa<br>
>*/.<br>
><br>
>Works! Automatically becomes<br>
>‘/*<br>
>‘Hoppa<br>
>‘*/.<br>
><br>
>Now commented out. However, type in an inline (not the user part)<br>
>‘/*<br>
>Hoppa<br>
>*/....CRASH!<br>
><br>
>· Just dragging objects around, adding <br>
>attributes, all sorts of randomness. Sometimes, <br>
>there are nice big red crosses where graphics usually are.<br>
><br>
>The latter is the more annoying part. In <br>
>general, when I’m developing something, on both <br>
>my laptop and home pc (both win7prox64), this <br>
>happens. In my experience, in fact, most people, <br>
>even if they are very experienced, have random <br>
>stability issues with e-studio. My question then <br>
>is: does the list have similar issues? Say, if <br>
>you’ve been doing some development, what is the <br>
>chance that e-prime will crash within 60 <br>
>minutes? I’m estimating it at 80% here.<br>
><br>
>Cheers,<br>
>Michiel<br>
><br>
>Michiel Sovijärvi-Spapé<br>
>Helsinki Institute for Information Technology<br>
>Aalto & Helsingin Yliopisto,<br>
>Finland<br>
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