<div dir="ltr"><font size="-1">I also worked on several scripts that had stability
issues when editing in EStudio (XP and W7). I think some of those
problems only occur under specific circumstances or in specific scripts.
However, in most cases it seems hard to reproduce the crashes. So,
pressing the save button every now and then has become standard practice for me.</font><font size="-1">
However, here is another nice (reproducible) demonstration of a problem
in EStudio, which took me some time to isolate from a larger script. This case is related to
a bug in the </font>ScriptSense option:<br><div><font size="-1"><font size="-1"><br></font>- open estudio and start with an empty script<br>- open windows task manager to monitor cpu usage of estudio<br>- add an inline script object to SessionProc and enter the following code:<br>
<br>Dim n As Integer<br>While False<br> n = 1<br>Wend<br><br>Note
that an empty line at the top of the script seems to be essential.
Although this problem is not very apparent, the high CPU-load could
cause time accuracy issues when running a script directly from EStudio. <br><br></font></div><div><font size="-1">Best<br>Paul<br></font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 October 2013 16:59, David Vinson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:d.vinson@ucl.ac.uk" target="_blank">d.vinson@ucl.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Michiel,<br>
<br>
I'm still plodding along using an XP box for my main development
platform, EP Pro latest version and it seems to be much more stable than
you've experienced: P(crash per 1hr) << 5%. Although I haven't
done anything particularly unusual or exploratory lately.<br>
<br>
I have had quite a few crashes on running during development - the usual
difficulties getting videos to work; loading nested Lists from file;
but none of these are related to e-studio stability.<br>
<br>
Copy-pasting from multiple open experiments, no problem at all; dragging
objects around, ditto. No weird red X's either. Probably your
development and mine is comparing apples and oranges, but my rate of
crashes within E-Studio 2.x has been pretty constant (and low) for quite
some time. Maybe it's more stable on XP?<br>
<br>
Obviously this isn't much of a long term solution given the impending
end of support for XP and perhaps some strong institutional pressure to
move on.... I'd be interested to know about others' experiences too.<br>
<br>
best,<br>
DV<div class="im"><br>
<br>
<br>
On 10/10/2013 14:20, Cognitology wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Hi,<br>
<br>
Given that E-Prime 2 is now pretty much a final release, I was wondering
how many of you feel it remains **particularly** instable? I mean,
E-Studio (2, pro), latest version, and I don’t stupid crashes (say,
recursively calling the sessionproc from a list within sessionproc).
Just things like<div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
·Writing inline:<br>
<br>
Try typing:<br>
<br>
/*<br>
<br>
Hoppa<br>
<br>
*/.<br>
<br>
Works! Automatically becomes<br>
<br>
‘/*<br>
<br>
‘Hoppa<br>
<br>
‘*/.<br>
<br>
Now commented out. However, type in an inline (not the user part)<br>
<br>
‘/*<br>
<br>
Hoppa<br>
<br>
*/....CRASH!<br>
<br>
·Just dragging objects around, adding attributes, all sorts of
randomness. Sometimes, there are nice big red crosses where graphics
usually are.<br>
<br>
The latter is the more annoying part. In general, when I’m developing
something, on both my laptop and home pc (both win7prox64), this
happens. In my experience, in fact, most people, even if they are very
experienced, have random stability issues with e-studio. My question
then is: does the list have similar issues? Say, if you’ve been doing
some development, what is the chance that e-prime will crash within 60
minutes? I’m estimating it at 80% here.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Michiel<br>
<br>
Michiel Sovijärvi-Spapé<br>
<br>
Helsinki Institute for Information Technology<br>
<br>
Aalto & Helsingin Yliopisto,<br>
<br>
Finland<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Michiel,<br>
<br>
Good question, and I am eager to hear from others. I have encouraged users at my location to move up to EP2.0.10, but that's going slowly, and we do run into some troubles because we have to get used to new ways of doing things in EP2.0.10. So I do not have a lot of development experience with it yet, my experience so far is mostly instructional and explorational. Based only on that, I like EP2.0.10 a lot, it introuduces a *lot* of good features, even some of the problems turn out to be features once they are properly understood (Generate PreRun is one of those, and I will mention another below).<br>
<br>
Now to address a couple points in particular.<br>
<br>
First, EP2 is not just "pretty much" a final release, it *is* officially a final release since EP2.0.10.242.<br>
<br>
And your commenting example... Yes, that trippped me up at first too, and it breaks one of the exercises in my video course, and I found it very annoying because I used /* */ a lot to comment things out & in. But try the following: Select some lines of code. Now press Ctrl+' (that's the Ctrl key along with the apostrophe key). See all those lines get commented with a "'" added to the start? Now for the fun part, with those lines still selected, press Ctrl+Shift+' -- see all those lines now become uncommented? Now press Ctrl+' twice -- see it add two "'" at the start of each line? Then press Ctrl+Shift+' once, then twice, to see it remove each leading "'" in turn. Pretty cool, huh? I sure thought so once I figured it out. So much easier than "/* */"! Now I just use "''" (double "'") to mark provisional lines during development, I can easily search for "''" throughout the program later to fix up those lines before final release of a program. Etc. So this is one of those "problems" that is really a feature.<br>
<br>
Once again, PST makes a pretty good product, but utterly fails to explain it well enough to customers. Just business as usual for them, but opening opportunities for people like me.<br>
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At 10/10/2013 09:20 AM Thursday, Cognitology wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Given that E-Prime 2 is now pretty much a final release, I was wondering how many of you feel it remains *particularly* instable? I mean, E-Studio (2, pro), latest version, and I don’t stupid crashes (say, recursively calling the sessionproc from a list within sessionproc). Just things like<br>
· Writing inline:<br>
Try typing:<br>
/*<br>
Hoppa<br>
*/.<br>
<br>
Works! Automatically becomes<br>
‘/*<br>
‘Hoppa<br>
‘*/.<br>
<br>
Now commented out. However, type in an inline (not the user part)<br>
‘/*<br>
Hoppa<br>
*/....CRASH!<br>
<br>
· Just dragging objects around, adding attributes, all sorts of randomness. Sometimes, there are nice big red crosses where graphics usually are.<br>
<br>
The latter is the more annoying part. In general, when I’m developing something, on both my laptop and home pc (both win7prox64), this happens. In my experience, in fact, most people, even if they are very experienced, have random stability issues with e-studio. My question then is: does the list have similar issues? Say, if you’ve been doing some development, what is the chance that e-prime will crash within 60 minutes? I’m estimating it at 80% here.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Michiel<br>
<br>
Michiel Sovijärvi-Spapé<br>
Helsinki Institute for Information Technology<br>
Aalto & Helsingin Yliopisto,<br>
Finland<br>
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