<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Thanks David for your precious support.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">
Like you, my main concern about MaKey MaKey is the timing.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">For my experiment, I think I will ended up using the pedal from PST.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">It is not cheap, but (hopefully) I won't have problems interfacing it with E-prime through the SRBox.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">My lab has ordered one today. According to PST, it should take just a few days to be shipped.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">I will keep you updated on how it works.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">
Thanks!</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:04 PM, David McFarlane <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mcfarla9@msu.edu" target="_blank">mcfarla9@msu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Just to clarify that last point, even patching a foot pedal directly into the keyboard does not give you the best timing performance, because keyboards generally provide only mediocre performance (but see <a href="http://www.empirisoft.com/directinkb.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.empirisoft.com/<u></u>directinkb.aspx</a> ). If you want millisecond-quality performance, you need to incorporate something like an SRBox, or a high-speed I/O device (e.g., old-fashioned parallel port).<br>
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At 10/29/2013 03:57 PM Tuesday, David McFarlane wrote:<br>
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John, Very cool! For US$50 (plus US$5 s/h within USA, US$15 elsewhere) the MaKey MaKey gizmo acts like a basic external digital input board through USB, converting any switch closure into an ordinary key press, mouse button press, or mouse movement useable by any software that recognizes a USB keyboard or mouse. I want one of these, could come in handy!<br>
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Francesco, As it turns out, one of our labs has recently purchased USB foot pedals that act like key presses, and they use that with E-Prime. See <a href="http://www.tomtop.com/usb-foot-control-keyboard-mouse-action-three-switch-pedal-hid-c954.html" target="_blank">http://www.tomtop.com/usb-<u></u>foot-control-keyboard-mouse-<u></u>action-three-switch-pedal-hid-<u></u>c954.html</a> . Cost is US$34 (plus s/h I suppose).<br>
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Both the MaKey MaKey and USB foot pedals should work fine if you do not need absolute millisecond timing performance (note in particular that the MaKey MaKey page says that they use a moving window averager to lowpass switch noise in software, I imagine that might add a bit of delay; goodness knows how the USB foot pedals behave). Otherwise users should test input timing characteristics for themselves (use an oscilloscope, or a Black Box Toolkit).<br>
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I would love to know what you end up with, please write back and let us know.<br>
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At 10/27/2013 03:16 AM Sunday, <a href="mailto:john@johnallen.it" target="_blank">john@johnallen.it</a> wrote:<br>
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Francesco<br>
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David's answers are all great, as slways, however if u dont want to spend good money on a response box snd if you'e happy using USB rather than serial port input, then you might like to consider this <<a href="http://www.makeymakey.com/" target="_blank">http://www.makeymakey.com/</a>><a href="http://www.makeymakey.com/" target="_blank">ht<u></u>tp://www.makeymakey.com/</a><br>
On first appearance it may appear like a toy but I think you should be able to get it to work for your purpose.<br>
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John<br>
On 25 Oct 2013 18:24, "David McFarlane" <<mailto:<a href="mailto:mcfarla9@msu.edu" target="_blank">mcfarla9@msu.edu</a>><a href="mailto:mcfarla9@msu.edu" target="_blank">mcfa<u></u>rla9@msu.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
Francesco,<br>
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Been working on this repsonse for the past couple days...<br>
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You will need to get a soldering iron and a multimeter, and have the skills to use them, or find & team up with a local electronics technician, as this is a bit of a do-it-yourself project. The first time I did this in the 1990s, we had keyboards that still had individual mechanical switches for each key, I just opened the keyboard case and soldered a pair of wires (from two-conductor speaker cable) directly to the desired key switch. I left about a foot (~0.5 m) hanging outside the keyboard and added an inline 3.5mm monophone jack to the end. The foot pedal either came with a 3.5mm monophone plug, or I cut off whatever it came with and replaced it with a 3.5mm plug myself.<br>
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Of course, you will not likely come across those keyboards anymore. But no problem, it just means that you open up the keyboard again and patch directly into the keyboard matrix controller, which is what I did for a later project (and that time, I drilled a hole in the case and mounted a jack right on the keyboard case, very neat). Back then I got some insructions from a web page, but I cannot find that right now so you might have to Google around yourself -- I found the following that introduce some of the principles, <<a href="http://www.howstuffworks.com/keyboard.htm" target="_blank">http://www.howstuffworks.com/<u></u>keyboard.htm</a>><a href="http://www.howstuffworks.com/keyboard.htm" target="_blank">http://www.<u></u>howstuffworks.com/keyboard.htm</a> and<br>
<<a href="http://pcbheaven.com/wikipages/How_Key_Matrices_Works/" target="_blank">http://pcbheaven.com/<u></u>wikipages/How_Key_Matrices_<u></u>Works/</a>><a href="http://pcbheaven.com/wikipages/How_Key_Matrices_Works/" target="_blank">http://pcbheaven.com/<u></u>wikipages/How_Key_Matrices_<u></u>Works/</a> -- if you cannot figure out how to do this based on these principles, then you should not try this project.<br>
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Anyway, once you you have a switch wired into the keyboard, it effectively *is* a keypress, so no need for any drivers or Devices or ports or anything else.<br>
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But really, you would be better off using a PST SRBox. The SRBox has an expansion connector inside that allows you to easily add external devices that will then act just as if you pressed buttons on the SRBox. In that case, you will only need to connect two wires from the pedal to a mating connector -- the SRBox should come with a manual that explains the priciples involved (I have the manual right here), or you can purchase PST's SRBox Custom Expansion Kit... Well, I just looked this up now, and for a total of US$640, you can get the SRBox (US$450), the Custom Expansion Kit (US$150), *and* a foot pedal (US$40), so there you go! Yes, that is a bit of money, but you will find the SRBox handy for many reasons, including better timing performance (see PST's measurements at <<a href="http://www.pstnet.com/eprimedevice.cfm" target="_blank">http://www.pstnet.com/<u></u>eprimedevice.cfm</a>><a href="http://www.pstnet.com/eprimedevice.cfm" target="_blank">http://www.<u></u>pstnet.com/eprimedevice.cfm</a> ). But if you want to save $150, you can do without the Custom Expansion Kit and just get the interfacing components you need from an electronics supplier.<br>
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I think that should cover it.<br>
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At 10/22/2013 06:28 PM Tuesday, francesco biondi wrote:<br>
Thanks David for the quick reply!<br>
<br>
It seems to me that the Casio option in quite convenient.<br>
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At that time we just patched them directly into the keyboard so that<br>
foot presses looked like a key press, e.g., {F12}.<br>
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Can you please give me a more detailed explanation?<br>
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Since it has a Jack plug, which port should i use? do i need to get an adapter?<br>
(apologizes, but I am not familiar with this topic at all)<br>
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In eprime, which device should i select from AddDevice window?<br>
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Thanks,<br>
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and still apologizes whether my questions sound stupid.<br>
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On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:08:59 PM UTC-6, McFarlane, David wrote:<br>
Francesco,<br>
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Years ago we did an experiment using foot pedals, we just used simple<br>
on-off foot switch pedals from Radio Shack, they do not seem to carry<br>
them anymore but you can get a glimpse of what I mean at<br>
<<<a href="http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/4801" target="_blank">http://www.eham.net/reviews/<u></u>detail/4801</a>><a href="http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/4801" target="_blank">http://www.eham.<u></u>net/reviews/detail/4801</a>><a href="http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/4801" target="_blank">http:/<u></u>/www.eham.net/reviews/detail/<u></u>4801</a> , or see the Casio model at<br>
<<<a href="http://www.bestbuy.com/site/casio-sp3-keyboard-sustain-pedal/6733588.p" target="_blank">http://www.bestbuy.com/site/<u></u>casio-sp3-keyboard-sustain-<u></u>pedal/6733588.p</a>><a href="http://www.bestbuy.com/site/casio-sp3-keyboard-sustain-pedal/6733588.p" target="_blank">http://www.<u></u>bestbuy.com/site/casio-sp3-<u></u>keyboard-sustain-pedal/<u></u>6733588.p</a>><a href="http://www.bestbuy.com/site/casio-sp3-keyboard-sustain-pedal/6733588.p" target="_blank">http://www.bestbuy.<u></u>com/site/casio-sp3-keyboard-<u></u>sustain-pedal/6733588.p</a> .<br>
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At that time we just patched them directly into the keyboard so that<br>
foot presses looked like a key press, e.g., {F12}. Alternatively,<br>
you could just patch these into a PST SRBox and go from there.<br>
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At 10/22/2013 04:38 PM Tuesday, francesco biondi wrote:<br>
>I am about to run an experiment in which I collect foot responses.<br>
>I have V3 Interact pedals, Windows 7 and no drivers to install the pedals.<br>
>I could not find any drivers to get the V3 pedals working on my pc.<br>
><br>
>I think I will be purchasing new pedals then.<br>
><br>
>Do you know about / Have any of you already used pedals to run<br>
>experiments in eprime?<br>
><br>
>If so, can you suggest me a particular brand?<br>
><br>
>Thanks,<br>
><br>
>Francesco<br>
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