TR: [etnolinguistica] Mo ção de apoio à correspondência do Hein van der Voort à SSILA
GOMEZ-IMBERT Elsa
gomezimb at UNIV-TLSE2.FR
Thu Sep 7 14:42:41 UTC 2006
Prezados membros do grupo,
O meu colega occitanista Patrick Sauzet escreveu uma messagem de apoio
a a moção e um texto sobre a presentação do Occitano em Ethnologue que
faço chegar a voces porque Patrick nao e membro de etnolinguistica.
Eu tambem vou escrever um comentario sobre a familia TUKANO no
Ethnologue e mandar para voces.
Elsa Gomez-Imbert
Le 7 sept. 06, à 16:14, Patrick Sauzet a écrit :
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Patrick Sauzet [mailto:patrick.sauzet at wanadoo.fr]
> Envoyé : jeudi 7 septembre 2006 14:31
> À : etnolinguistica at yahoogrupos.com.br
> Cc : Anila Angjeli
> Objet : TR: [etnolinguistica] Moção de apoio à correspondência do Hein
> van der Voort à SSILA
>
> Estimados Colegas !
> siguiendo el aviso de Elsa Gomez-Imbert, les hago llegar un mensaje
> que ya he transmitido a varios universtarios y investigadores en
> reacción a una « Moção de apoio à correspondência do Hein van der
> Voort à SSILA » recebida por mail.
> Espero que podremos juntos conseguir diversificar la presentación de
> la diversitad linguistica…
> Saludos cordiales
> Patrick Sauzet
>
>
> Le 7 sept. 06, à 00:28, Patrick Sauzet a écrit :
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De :Patrick Sauzet [mailto:patrick.sauzet at wanadoo.fr]
> Envoyé :lundi 4 septembre 2006 22:42
> À :GOMEZ-IMBERT Elsa; Maria Consuelo De Vengoechea Rodriguez; Anamaría
> Ospina; aduranti at anthro.ucla.edu; Andres Romero; Larry M.Hyman; Michel
> Aurnague; Jean Jackson; Marta Pabon; Dr S.Hugh-Jones; W.F.H.Adelaar;
> simon valencia; publications at survival-international.org;
> raperryc at unal.edu.co; Ana; Gunter Senft; Jon Landaburu; Roberto Perry;
> Parana Huazu; hyman at socrates.berkeley.edu; Tania Granadillo
> Cc :Hein van der Voort
> Objet :RE: [etnolinguistica] Moção de apoio à correspondência do Hein
> van der Voort à SSILA
>
> Estimados Colegas !
> el uso de « Ethnologue » como referencia obligatoria, sino única,
> para las publicaciones einformaciones (pienso a la Linguist list por
> ejemplo) no es preoccupante solamente para los americanistas. En el
> campo de la romanística, l’Ethnologue (usado después coma referencia
> por los comités encargados de la definición de la norma ISO) propone
> una clasificación muy particular de los idiomas romances. Esta incluye
> una presentación por lo menos parcial de la lengua occitana (o
> provenzal) y contraria tanto a la concepción de la immensa mayoria de
> los romanistas de hoy comoa toda la tradición de la filología romance.
> Acaso pudiera ser eficaz reunir las voces críticas para darles más
> peso.
> Muy cordialmente
>
> Patric Sauzet
>
> PS : En el sitio web de la revista « Linguistica occitana » (
> http://www.revistadoc.org/news.php?lng=fr) se puede leer el documento
> que escribí a propósito de la presentación de l’Occitano por
> Ethnologue y de sus consecuencias.
> Muy cordialmente
> Patric Sauzet
>
>
>
>
> ***************************************
> Patrick Sauzet
> Professeur (linguistique occitane)
> Département Lettres Modernes, Théâtre et Occitan
> et
> CNRS UMR 5610 ERSS
> Université de Toulouse II Le Mirail
> 31058 Toulouse cedex 09
> ***************************************
> Patric Sauzet
> Professor (linguistica occitana)
> Departament Letras Modèrnas, Teatre e Occitan
> e
> CNRS UMR 5610 ERSS
> Universitat de Tolosa II Lo Miralh
> 31058 Tolose cedex 09
> ***************************************
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De :GOMEZ-IMBERT Elsa [mailto:gomezimb at univ-tlse2.fr]
> Envoyé :lundi 28 août 2006 11:16
> À :Maria Consuelo De Vengoechea Rodriguez; Anamaría Ospina;
> aduranti at anthro.ucla.edu; Andres Romero; Larry M.Hyman; Michel
> Aurnague; Jean Jackson; Marta Pabon; Dr S.Hugh-Jones; W.F.H.Adelaar;
> simon valencia; publications at survival-international.org;
> raperryc at unal.edu.co; Ana; Gunter Senft; Jon Landaburu; Roberto Perry;
> Patrick Sauzet; Parana Huazu; hyman at socrates.berkeley.edu; Tania
> Granadillo
> Cc :Hein van der Voort
> Objet :Fwd: [etnolinguistica] Moção de apoio à correspondência do Hein
> van der Voort à SSILA
>
>
>
> Les hago llegar la correspondencia que nuestro colega americanista
> Hein van der Voot envio al boletin del SSILA (Society for the Study of
> the Indigenous Languages of America) en reaccion contra la adopcion de
> Ethnologue (sitio internet de la organizacion evangelica proselitista
> SIL) como referencia dentro del mundo cientifico en materia de lenguas
> del mundo.
>
> Empieza ya a reaccionar a esta noticia la comunidad brasileña a
> traves de "etnolinguistica at yahoogrupos.com.br". Y yo quisiera que la
> reaccion y la discusion se ampliara mas y mas. Les sugiero que
> elevemos nuestra voz contra semejante decision.
>
> Elsa Gomez Imbert
> Directrice de recherche CNRS
> ERSS UMR 56-10
> Maison de la Recherche
> Université Toulouse -le Mirail
> 5, Allées Antonio Machado
> 31058 - Toulouse
> Tel. 05 61 50 36 67
> Fax. 05 61 50 46 77
>
> Adresse personnelle / personal address:
> 7 rue du Faubourg
> 46160 Cajarc
> France
> Tel. 33 (0)5 65 11 43 85
>
>
> Début du message réexpédié :
>
> De: "Nilson Gabas Junior" <gabas at nautilus.com.br>
> Date: 25 août 2006 21:15:37 GMT+02:00
> À: etnolinguistica at yahoogrupos.com.br
> Objet: [etnolinguistica] Moção de apoio à correspondência do Hein van
> der Voort à SSILA
> Répondre à: etnolinguistica at yahoogrupos.com.br
>
> Prezados membros desta lista,
>
> Vi hoje a correspondência do Dr. Hein van der Voort,
> pesquisador holandês dedicado ao trabalho de estudo e
> descrição de línguas isoladas de Rondônia, enviada e publicada
> pelo boletim eletrônico da SSILA (veja abaixo a referência e o texto
> completo), e gostaria de propor que fizéssemos uma moção de apoio
> à referida correspondência, em nome da lista (vou propor o mesmo
> para ser enviado em nome da ABRALIN), para averiguação dos fatos.
>
> Por favor, verifiquem o que o Dr. Hein aponta/sugere, e iniciemos,
> se necessário, um pequeno debate para aprofundarmos (ou não) a
> questão (acredito que o que o Dr. Hein aponta é suficientemente
> claro).
>
> Cordial abraço,
> Gabas Jr.
>
>
> The Society for the Study of the Indigenous Languages of the Americas
>
> *** SSILA BULLETIN ***
>
> An Information Service for SSILA Members
>
> Editor - Victor Golla (golla at ssila.org)
> Associate Editor - Scott DeLancey (delancey at uoregon.edu)
>
> -->> --Correspondence should be directed to the Editor-- <<--
> _____________________________________________________________________
> Number 242: August 22, 2006
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 242.1 Correspondence
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> * Problems with the Ethnologue
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> From Hein van der Voort (hvoort at xs4all.nl)
>
> 25 July 2006:
>
> Last year the International Standardization Organization
> (ISO) decided to adopt the Ethnologue's language codes
> as the reference standard for the languages of the world,
> called ISO 639-3. The responsibility for setting up the
> standard was in fact given to the Summer Institute of
> Linguistics (SIL) (see SSILA Bulletin #227, 16 August
> 2005, and SSILA Newsletter, April 2006, p.16). This
> decision was not discussed with the wider linguistic community.
>
> Why should a missionary organization like SIL be given
> the control of the universal standard for linguistic reference?
>
> One reason is the fact that SIL has developed the
> Ethnologue, which is a highly useful reference tool.
> The good thing about the Ethnologue is that it represents
> the most complete survey of the languages of the world
> that exists today.
>
> However, the Ethnologue is filled with errors, at least
> as far as South America is concerned. With regard to the
> 50 languages of the region where I work, the Guaporé
> region of Bolivia and Brazil, these errors include
> languages being represented as dialects, dialects
> represented as languages, languages attributed to the
> wrong family or stock, living languages declared dead,
> languages omitted entirely, and countless alternative
> names applied incorrectly or to more than one language.
>
> SIL has, indeed, set up a procedure to correct and improve
> the information that forms the basis for the ISO standard.
> Linguists with documentable knowledge have been invited
> to submit their corrections on special forms that are to be
> evaluated for the Americas by an independent committee
> of SSILA members. This procedure will also improve the
> quality of the data contained in the Ethnologue. But why
> is the existing information in the Ethnologue not subjected
> to the same scrutiny as the corrections that will be submitted
> to the SSILA committee?
>
> There are alternatives to the Ethnologue, in particular the
> ideologically neutral UNESCO website in Tokyo for the
> Red Book of Endangered Languages (http://www.tooyoo.l.u-
> tokyo.ac.jp/Redbook/SAmerica/SA_index.cgi).
> Granted, the Red Book's database is still not complete (the
> important sections on Brazil and North America are not yet
> activated). But at least the information it does contain is
> reliable and comprehensive, and it deserves to be developed.
>
> Perhaps another reason SIL was chosen is because the ISO
> Institute was not aware of any of these issues, since it is not
> specialized with regard to language and linguistics. They
> seem to have handed over the controls to the first
> organization that was pointed out to them. I can't recall any
> preceding discussion of this ISO decision at all.
>
> The central issue I raise here is an ethical one: should we as
> scientists collaborate so directly with a proselytizing
> organization, lending it legitimacy and potentially
> contributing to its ultimate goal -- that of replacing
> indigenous cultures with a specific Western one?
>
> --Hein van der Voort
> Radboud Universiteit Nijmegen, The Netherlands
> (hvoort at xs4all.nl)
>
> [To be fair, the editorial staff of the Ethnologue has asked
> for help from the linguistics community in identifying
> factual errors of any sort that appear in the publication,
> including misclassifications and outdated information on
> numbers of speakers and their locations. Updates and
> suggestions can be sent to Ethnologue_Editor at sil.org. --Ed.]
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> Elsa Gomez Imbert
> Directrice de recherche CNRS
> ERSS UMR 56-10
> Maison de la Recherche
> Université Toulouse -le Mirail
> 5, Allées Antonio Machado
> 31058 - Toulouse
> Tel. 05 61 50 36 67
> Fax. 05 61 50 46 77
>
> Adresse personnelle / personal address:
> 7 rue du Faubourg
> 46160 Cajarc
> France
> Tel. 33 (0)5 65 11 43 85
> Elsa Gomez Imbert
> Directrice de recherche CNRS
> ERSS UMR 56-10
> Maison de la Recherche
> Université Toulouse -le Mirail
> 5, Allées Antonio Machado
> 31058 - Toulouse
> Tel. 05 61 50 36 67
> Fax. 05 61 50 46 77
>
> Adresse personnelle / personal address:
> 7 rue du Faubourg
> 46160 Cajarc
> France
> Tel. 33 (0)5 65 11 43 85
>
Elsa Gomez Imbert
Directrice de recherche CNRS
ERSS UMR 56-10
Maison de la Recherche
Université Toulouse -le Mirail
5, Allées Antonio Machado
31058 - Toulouse
Tel. 05 61 50 36 67
Fax. 05 61 50 46 77
Adresse personnelle / personal address:
7 rue du Faubourg
46160 Cajarc
France
Tel. 33 (0)5 65 11 43 85
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