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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Caro Renato: gostaria de receber o video;o que devo
fazer? e vê se outros antropólogos também entram nessa questão do
Ethnologue e SL etc. Pelo menos os que trablham com grupos indígenas, Abraços,
Yonne. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=renato.athias@gmail.com href="mailto:renato.athias@gmail.com">Renato
Athias</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=etnolinguistica@yahoogrupos.com.br
href="mailto:etnolinguistica@yahoogrupos.com.br">etnolinguistica@yahoogrupos.com.br</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 01, 2006 7:05
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [etnolinguistica] Sugestões
à moção</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Colegas,<BR>Aproveito a mensagem de Pattie para fazer uma
pergunta e para dizer que como antropólogo dou também meu total apoio a moção.
<BR>Gostaria de saber de todos vocês, se seria possível, no âmbito das
clasificações das línguas indígenas do Brasil, mudar a denominação de
uma família lingüísitica. Nós que trabalhamos os grupos indígenas Yohup, Däw,
Hupdah, Nadöb, Kakwa,Nukak que estão classificados como pertencentes a família
lingüística MAKU sofremos, pois a termo Maku não corresponde a nenhuma palavra
dessas línguas. Além de ter uma forte conotação pejorativa (principalmente na
região do Rio Negro) servindo na realidade como um "palavrão". Em julho do ano
passado e em Janeiro desse ano. Estivemos reunidos no Rio Tiquié ( Daw, Hupdah
e Yohup) e discutimos essa situação e todos eles sugeriram mudanças. Como
fazer? por onde começar? <BR><BR><BR>Eu coloquei o vídeo <SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Paah Sak Tëg</SPAN> na internet.. São os
cursistas, Hupah, Daw e Yuhup do curso de magistério indígena.<BR>São pequenos
depoimentos... o Vídeo completo em 22 minutos pode ser enviado... é só
podir.. certo. <BR><BR>Renato<BR><BR>divulguem por favor <BR><BR><BR>Parte
1<BR><A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wS2l6_jLgw"
target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wS2l6_jLgw</A><BR>Parte 2<BR><A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWDyusAvayc"
target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWDyusAvayc </A><BR>Parte 3<BR><A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SjocnjFWmc"
target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SjocnjFWmc</A>
<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>2006/9/1, Pattie Epps <<A
href="mailto:pepps@mail.utexas.edu">pepps@mail.utexas.edu</A>>:</SPAN>
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<DIV>Prezados membros da lista, Júnior, e Sebastian,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Como falante nativo de inglés, fiz alguns modificações ao texto da
moção sugerido por Júnior e Sebastian. Espero que ajudar!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>O texto se encontre abaixo.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Um abraço para todos,</DIV>
<DIV>Pattie</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000>We, the undersigned
researchers working with indigenous languages of Brazil and<BR>adjacent
regions and leaders of Indian organizations (participating<BR>in the
discussion list "Etnolinguistica"), and the Museu<BR>Paraense Emílio Goeldi,
a research institution of the Brazilian Ministry of<BR>Science and
Technology, want to express our concern regarding the points that were
raised by Dr. Hein van der Voort<BR>in the SSILA-Bulletin number 242 of
August 22 of 2006, and<BR>show our support for the general position taken by
Dr. van der<BR>Voort (full text is given below).<BR><BR>In brief, Dr. van
der Voort states that the decision to adopt the<BR>Ethnologue's language
codes as the reference standard for the<BR>languages of the world (also
called ISO 639-3) was not fully<BR>discussed within the linguistic
community. He also questions the<BR>validity of this decision from the
perspective of ethical concerns (should a religious<BR>organization be in
charge of such</FONT><FONT color=#000000> an<FONT face="Times New Roman">
effort?) and accuracy<BR>(Ethnologue is an error-ridden, though extensive,
publication).<BR><BR>He proposes that efforts like UNESCO's Redbook of
the<BR>Endangered Languages of the World be considered as an alternative to
SIL's Ethnologue.</FONT></FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=#000000></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000>We feel strongly that there
is only one sensitive answer --</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000>"NO"-- to the central
question raised by Dr. van der Voort: "should we as scientists collaborate
so directly with a</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000>proselytizing organization,
lending it legitimacy and potentially</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000>contributing to its ultimate
goal -- that of replacing indigenous<BR>cultures with a specific Western
one?"<BR><BR>Like several of us, many researchers worldwide may have
information<BR>that would represent a valuable contribution to the ISO list,
but feel reluctant to<BR>share it with the editors of the Ethnologue for the
very reasons given<BR>by Dr. v.d. Voort. This puts the cooperative
work on a reliable and<BR>widely accepted ISO standard at serious
risk.<BR><BR>Therefore, we urge that the current state of affairs with
respect<BR>to the ISO 639-3 be reviewed, and that another, purely
academic</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000>institution (such as a
committee or commission to be created) be</FONT><FONT color=#000000> given
the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000>responsib</FONT><FONT
color=#000000>ility of<FONT face="Times New Roman"> maintaining and revising
the ISO list of languages</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000>and their codes. An academic
commission of SSILA assigned to</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000>evaluate proposals for
changes to the survey of South American</FONT><FONT color=#000000> l<FONT
face="Times New Roman">anguages could serve as a model for other regions,
and some means of coordinating regional commissions could be established in
order to assure similar</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000>criteria and
standards.<BR><BR>It would be certainly a time-consuming project, but the
final<BR>product would be considerably more reliable and more likely to
receive widespread acceptance than the Ethnologue alternative.<BR><BR>In
sum, it is important to us that the ISO 639-3 standard and a<BR>possible
permanent ISO 639-3 commission be clearly separated from<BR>the Ethnologue
and SIL in general, making it possible for any<BR>linguist to contribute to
the ISO standard without contributing<BR>direct or indirectly to
SIL.<BR><BR>With this motion, it is our intention to invite linguists who
share<BR>our view to make this position clear in their local
academic<BR>associations and to start a worldwide discussion about a
possible<BR>different solution for the ISO 639-3.<BR></FONT></DIV><SPAN
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