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<p><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">Prezado Eduardo,<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;"><o> </o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">Eu acredito que serve sim para introduzir um outro argumento em construções puramente nominais. Não tenho exemplos com o possuidor representado por nomes, mas encontrei os seguintes: (argumentos adicionados: ga 'terra', pó 'pedra' e marmore 'mármore')</SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;"><o> </o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">(1) ga tỹ ti ĩn <o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">ga<SPAN> </SPAN>tỹ<SPAN> </SPAN>ti<SPAN> </SPAN>ĩn<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">terra<SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN> </SPAN>3.S.<SPAN> </SPAN>casa<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">‘sua casa de terra’<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;"><o> </o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">(2) pó tỹ marmore tỹ ti kej<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><A name="OLE_LINK81"></A><A name="OLE_LINK80"><SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">pó<SPAN> </SPAN>t</SPAN></SPAN></A><A name="OLE_LINK66"></A><A name="OLE_LINK65"><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">ỹ</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></A><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;"><SPAN> </SPAN>marmore<SPAN> </SPAN>tỹ <SPAN>
</SPAN>ti<SPAN> </SPAN>kej<o></o></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">pedra<SPAN> </SPAN>mármore<SPAN> </SPAN>3.S<SPAN> </SPAN>túmulo<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">‘seu túmulo de pedra de mármore’<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;"><o> </o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">Talvez seja interessante fazer o seguinte esclarecimento: há <A name="OLE_LINK68"></A><A name="OLE_LINK67"><SPAN>também uma série de outros usos para <tỹ></SPAN></A>, p.ex.:<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;"><o> </o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">(3) instrumental (INS): <o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">pónh t<A name="OLE_LINK75"></A><A name="OLE_LINK70"></A><A name="OLE_LINK69"><SPAN><SPAN>ỹ</SPAN></SPAN></A> tóg sẽsĩ pin nĩgtĩ<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">estilingue INS 3.S.SUJ passarinho acertar EST.PROG<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">‘Ele acerta o passarinho com o estilingue.’<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;"><o> </o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">(4). material (MAT): <o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">gẽgẽ tóg ga tỹ ti ĩn han tĩ<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">marimbondo SUJ terra MAT 3.S casa fazer PROG<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">‘O marimbondo faz sua casa de terra.’<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;"><o> </o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">(5). apositivo (APO): <o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">ag tóg goj tỹ timanhi ra mũ mũ<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">3.P SUJ rio APO Tibagi DIR ir.P PERF<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">‘Eles foram para o rio Tibagi.’<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;"><o> </o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">(6). relacional de não contigüidade (RNC): <o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><A name="OLE_LINK62"></A><A name="OLE_LINK61"></A><A name="OLE_LINK72"></A><A name="OLE_LINK71"><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">sỹ vãn tỹ tánh ke vẽ<o></o></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></A><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">1.S.ERG taquara RNC azul fazer<SPAN> </SPAN><A name="OLE_LINK79"></A><A name="OLE_LINK78"><SPAN>ASSERT</SPAN></A><o></o></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">‘Estou pintando a taquara de azul.’ (lit. estou ‘fazendo azul’ a taquara)<o></o></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;"><o> </o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">Observe no exemplo (6) que, caso não houvesse <tỹ>, a frase continuaria sendo gramatical, mas teria outro significado, neste caso, com um sentido estranho.<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;"><o> </o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">s<A name="OLE_LINK74"></A><A name="OLE_LINK73"><SPAN>ỹ</SPAN></A> vãn tánh ke vẽ<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">1.S.ERG taquara azul fazer ASSERT<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">‘Estou fazendo a taquara azul.’<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;"><o> </o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">Bom, espero que eu tenha ajudado.<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">um abraço!<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;">Marcelo<o></o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';FONT-SIZE: 10pt;"><o> </o></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';COLOR: black;"><FONT size="3">Abreviaturas:<BR><BR><o></o></FONT></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';COLOR: black;"><FONT size="3">1<SPAN> </SPAN>primeira pessoa<BR>2<SPAN> </SPAN>segunda pessoa<BR>3<SPAN> </SPAN>terceira pessoa<BR>ASSERT assertivo<o></o></FONT></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';COLOR: black;"><FONT size="3">BEN benefactivo<o></o></FONT></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';COLOR: black;"><FONT size="3">DIR direcional<BR>ERG ergativo<o></o></FONT></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';COLOR: black;"><FONT size="3">EST estativo<BR>INES inessivo<BR>P plural<o></o></FONT></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';COLOR: black;"><FONT size="3">PERF perfeito<o></o></FONT></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';COLOR: black;"><FONT size="3">PROG progressivo<BR>S singular<BR>SIT situacional<o></o></FONT></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL';COLOR: black;"><FONT size="3">SUJ sujeito<o></o></FONT></SPAN><BR><BR>--- <B>15/03/10 Pzt tarihinde Eduardo Rivail Ribeiro <I><kariri@gmail.<wbr>com></I></B> şöyle yazıyor:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid;"><BR>Kimden: Eduardo Rivail Ribeiro <kariri@gmail.<wbr>com><BR>Konu: Yan: [etnolinguistica] Re: ergatividade em línguas Jê setentrionais<BR>Kime: etnolinguistica@<wbr>yahoogrupos.<wbr>com.br<BR>Tarihi: 15 Mart 2010 Pazartesi, 13:47<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Excelentes estes exemplos, Marcelo. O que me deixou curioso: construções semelhantes poderiam ser usadas também com nomes não deverbais?<BR><BR>Isto tem a ver com um outro interesse meu, relacionado intrinsecamente à questão da origem da ergatividade a partir de construções nominalizadas: a intersecção entre mecanismos de mudança de valência em nomes (o que eu chamo de "aplicativos nominais", por exemplo) e verbos.<BR><BR>Então, de volta ao Kaingáng, gostaria de saber se esta mesma posposição que marca o argumento ergativo nestas construções serviria para introduzir um argumento nominal a mais em construções puramente nominais. Por exemplo:<BR><BR>o livro de português do menino<BR>a canoa de madeira do Zé<BR>etc.<BR><BR>Abraços,<BR><BR>Eduardo<BR><BR>--- Em <A href="http://tr.mc516.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=etnolinguistica%40yahoogrupos.com.br" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:etnolinguistica%40yahoogrupos.com.br">etnolinguistica@ yahoogrupos. com.br</A>, Marcelo Jolkesky <marjolkesky@ ...> escreveu<BR>><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table><br>
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