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<DIV>Debe ser casual el parecido con el final Mundurukú -<STRONG><EM>dyp</EM></STRONG> en (Key 2000, ítem 03591) <STRONG><EM>myreo-dyp</EM></STRONG> 'bat; morcego; murciélago'; se trata del sufijo "classifier for leaf-shaped things"; cf. Mundurukú <STRONG><EM>-yp</EM></STRONG> 'leaf; folha; hoja'.</DIV>
<DIV>Saludos,</DIV>
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<DIV>Pedro</DIV>
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<DIV>Símbolo: <STRONG><EM>y</EM></STRONG> vocal alta central.</DIV>
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<DIV>Referencia: <BR>Key, Mary Ritchie [General editor] (2000): South American Indian Languages, Computer Database (Intercontinental Dictionary Series, Vol. 1). Irvine: University of California. CD-ROM.<BR><BR><BR>--- Em <B>ter, 9/11/10, Eduardo Ribeiro <I><kariri@gmail.com></I></B> escreveu:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid;"><BR>De: Eduardo Ribeiro <kariri@gmail.com><BR>Assunto: Re: [etnolinguistica] Arara do Rio Branco e o tronco Tupí<BR>Para: etnolinguistica@yahoogrupos.com.br<BR>Data: Terça-feira, 9 de Novembro de 2010, 11:33<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Prezados,<BR><BR>Só gostaria de apontar uma semelhança interessante entre a forma <I>zííp</I> 'morcego' da família Mondé (Denny Moore, citado por Pedro) e a palavra em Jê Setentrional, que reconstruo (por enquanto, apenas para o Proto-Jê Setentrional) como *<I>njep</I> (<A href="http://wado.us/proto:morcego" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://wado.us/proto:morcego</A>).<BR><BR>Será que formas semelhantes ocorreriam em outras famílias do tronco Tupí?<BR><BR>Abraços,<BR><BR>Eduardo<BR><BR>
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<P style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify;"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman">Estimado Marcelo:</FONT> </DIV>
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<P style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify;"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman">Por pura casualidad (o no, vaya uno a saber), yo también he estado encontrando últimamente algunas semejanzas léxicas Tupí-Arára do Rio Branco, aunque yo no había hallado más que unas veinte; y en su mayoría coinciden con similitudes encontradas independientemente por Ud. Otras son:</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman">AR <B><I>tu- </I></B>‘3ª. pessoa’: Karo (Gabas Jr. 1994: 137) <B><I>to- </I></B>‘3ª. pessoa (correferencial)’</FONT> </DIV>
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<P style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify;"><FONT size="3"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN>AR <B><I>-</I></B></SPAN><B><I><SPAN lang="PT-BR">nhAN </SPAN></I></B><SPAN lang="PT-BR">‘nariz’: Puruborá (Rodrigues 2007: 184) <B><I>ni-waN </I></B><SPAN>‘nariz’<B><I> </I></B></SPAN>(Proto-Tupí *<B><I>t’y </I></B><SPAN>‘moco’</SPAN>). </SPAN></FONT></FONT></blockquote></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size="3"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN>AR <B><I>setka ~ se’ka</I></B></SPAN> ‘estrela’: Káro<SPAN> <SPAN lang="PT-BR">(Gabas Jr. 2000: 77, 78)</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang="PT-BR"> </SPAN><B><I><SPAN lang="PT-BR">*cigamo</SPAN></I></B><SPAN lang="PT-BR"> ‘estrela’.</SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size="3"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN lang="PT-BR">AR <B><I>juNmba</I></B></SPAN><SPAN lang="PT-BR"> ‘cipó para cesto’: Kuruáya <SPAN>(Rodriguez 1978: 200) </SPAN><B><I>idZiby</I></B>, Mundurukú <B><I>iSiby</I></B>, Proto-Tupí (da Silva 2007: 236) *<B><I>ytSypo </I></B>‘cipó’. </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN lang="PT-BR"><FONT size="3"><FONT face="Times New Roman">AR <B><I>mbiri- </I></B>~ <B><I>mbere</I></B>- ~ <B><I>bri</I></B>- ~ <B><I>wirib</I></B>- ~ <B><I>wrib</I></B>- ~ <B><I>wri</I></B>- ‘peixe’ (en: <B><I>mbiripaj </I></B>‘pintado’, <B><I>mberewa </I></B>‘pacu’, <B><I>briptupi</I></B> ‘esp. de peixe pequeno’, <B><I>wiribdak</I></B> ~ <B><I>wribdag</I></B> ‘arraia’, <B><I>mbriwi ~ wriwi</I></B><I> </I>‘piranha’): cf. Paitér (Aragon y Cabral 2005: 1537) <B><I>morip </I></B>‘peixe’ (família Mondé). </FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size="3"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN lang="PT-BR">AR<B><I> bebE </I></B></SPAN><SPAN lang="PT-BR">‘porco grande’, <B><I>bebEtik</I></B> ‘porquinho’: cf. (Moore 2005: 520) Salamãy <B><I>bebetíNíNk</I></B>, Aruá, Gavião, Zoró <B><I>bebekot</I></B>, Cinta-Larga <B><I>mbebekot</I></B>, Suruí <B><I>meNbekot </I></B>‘caitetu’ (família Mondé). </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN lang="PT-BR"><FONT size="3"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Para ‘arára’, ‘morcego’ y ‘pedra’, las comparaciones más impresionantes en lenguas Tupí serían –em mi opinión-:</FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size="3"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN lang="PT-BR">AR <B><I>korot </I></B></SPAN><SPAN lang="PT-BR">~ <B><I>korod</I></B> ‘arára’: Aruá (Moore 2005: 520) <B><I>gádót </I></B>‘arára’ (familia Mondé). </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size="3"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN lang="PT-BR">AR <B><I>miSep</I></B></SPAN><SPAN lang="PT-BR"> ‘morcego’, <B><I>miSebM </I></B>‘borboleta’: cf. Salamãy, Cinta Larga (Moore 2005: 520) <B><I>Zííp</I></B> ‘morcego’ (família Mondé).</SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size="3"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN lang="PT-BR">AR <B><I>ija </I></B></SPAN><SPAN lang="PT-BR">‘pedra’: Káro (Rodrigues 2007: 177) <B><I>ija-’a</I></B>‘pedra’</SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN lang="PT-BR"><FONT size="3"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Desconozco si existe etimologia a nivel Proto-Tupí de la forma Aruá del primer caso y de las formas Salamãy y Cinta Larga del segundo; para el tercero Rodrigues reconstruye Proto-Tupí <B>*<I>wita </I></B>‘pedra’.</FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<P style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify;"><SPAN lang="PT-BR"><FONT size="3"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Un abrazo,</FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<P style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify;"><SPAN lang="PT-BR"><FONT size="3"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Pedro</FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<P style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify;"><FONT size="3"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><U>Símbolos</U>: <B><I>A</I></B> vocal baja posterior, <B><I>bM </I></B>oclusiva labial sonora post-nasalizada, <B><I>dZ </I></B>africada sonora palatal, <B><I>E </I></B>vocal media anterior abierta, <B><I>N </I></B>nasalización de vocal precedente, <B><I>nh</I></B> nasal palatal,<I> <B>S </B></I>fricativa sorda palatal, <B><I>tS </I></B>africada sorda palatal, <B><I>y </I></B>vocal alta central, <B><I>Z </I></B>fricativa sonora palatal, <B>’ </B>oclusiva<B> </B>glotal (tras consonante, glotalización). </FONT></FONT>
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<DIV><FONT size="3"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><U><SPAN lang="PT-BR">Referencias</SPAN></U><SPAN lang="PT-BR">:</SPAN><SPAN lang="PT-BR"> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN lang="PT-BR"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman">Aragon, Carolina Coelho y Ana Suelly Arruda Câmara Cabral (2005): A posição do Akuntsú na família lingüística Tuparí, <I>Anais do IV Congresso Internacional da Abralin</I>, p. 1533-1539. </FONT><A href="http://www.abralin.org.br/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman">www.abralin.org.br</FONT></A></SPAN><SPAN lang="PT-BR"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"> </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN lang="PT-BR"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman">da Silva, Beatriz Carreta Corrêa (2007): Mais fundamentos para a hipótese de Rodrigues (1984/85) de um Proto-Awetí-Tupi-Guaraní. <I>Línguas e Culturas Tupi</I>, Vol. 1: 219-240.</FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman">Gabas Jr., Nilson (1994): O sistema pronominal de marca<SPAN lang="PT-BR">ção</SPAN> de pessoa na língua Karo (Arara de Rondonia), <I>Revista Latinoamericana de Estudios Etnolingüísticos</I>, vol. VIII: 135-150. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN lang="EN-US"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman">Gabas Jr., Nilson (2000): Genetic relationship among Ramaráma family of Tupí stock (Brazil), <I>Indigenous Languages of Latin America (ILLA)</I>, 1: 71-82. </FONT><A href="http://etnolinguistica.wdfiles.com/local--files/illa%3Avol1n6/illa_vol1n6_gabas.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><FONT color="#800080" size="3" face="Times New Roman">http://etnolinguistica.wdfiles.com/local--files/illa%3Avol1n6/illa_vol1n6_gabas.pdf</FONT></A></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size="3"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN lang="PT-BR">Moore, Dioney (2005): Classificação interna da família lingüística Monde, <I>Estudos Lingüísticos</I>, 34: 515-520.</SPAN><SPAN lang="PT-BR"> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN lang="PT-BR"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman">Rodrigues, Aryon Dall’Igna (1978): Tupí-Guaraní e Mundurukú: evidencias lexicais e fonológicas de parentesco genético. <I>Estudos Lingüísticos</I>, 3: 194-209.</FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN lang="PT-BR"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman">Rodrigues, Aryon Dall’Igna (2007): As consoantes do Proto-Tupi. <I>Línguas e Culturas Tupi</I>, Vol. 1: 177-203.</FONT></SPAN><BR></DIV></TD></TR>
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margin-bottom: 5px;
}
.attach label a {
text-decoration: none;
}
blockquote {
margin: 0 0 0 4px;
}
.bold {
font-family: Arial;
font-size: 13px;
font-weight: 700;
}
.bold a {
text-decoration: none;
}
dd.last p a {
font-family: Verdana;
font-weight: 700;
}
dd.last p span {
margin-right: 10px;
font-family: Verdana;
font-weight: 700;
}
dd.last p span.yshortcuts {
margin-right: 0;
}
div.attach-table div div a {
text-decoration: none;
}
div.attach-table {
width: 400px;
}
div.file-title a, div.file-title a:active, div.file-title a:hover, div.file-title a:visited {
text-decoration: none;
}
div.photo-title a, div.photo-title a:active, div.photo-title a:hover, div.photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration: none;
}
div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts {
font-family: Verdana;
font-size: 10px;
font-weight: normal;
}
.green {
color: #628c2a;
}
.MsoNormal {
margin: 0 0 0 0;
}
o {
font-size: 0;
}
#photos div {
float: left;
width: 72px;
}
#photos div div {
border: 1px solid #666666;
height: 62px;
overflow: hidden;
width: 62px;
}
#photos div label {
color: #666666;
font-size: 10px;
overflow: hidden;
text-align: center;
white-space: nowrap;
width: 64px;
}
#reco-category {
font-size: 77%;
}
#reco-desc {
font-size: 77%;
}
.replbq {
margin: 4px;
}
#ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
/* border-right: 0px solid #000;*/
margin-right: 2px;
padding-right: 5px;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size: 13px;
font-family: Arial, helvetica,clean, sans-serif;
*font-size: small;
*font: x-small;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size: inherit;
font: 100%;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {
font: 99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {
font:115% monospace;
*font-size:100%;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height: 1.22em;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg #logo {
padding-bottom: 10px;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg a {
color: #1E66AE;
}
#ygrp-msg p a {
font-family: Verdana;
}
#ygrp-msg p#attach-count span {
color: #1E66AE;
font-weight: 700;
}
#ygrp-reco #reco-head {
color: #ff7900;
font-weight: 700;
}
#ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom: 20px;
padding: 0px;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov li a {
font-size: 130%;
text-decoration: none;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov li {
font-size: 77%;
list-style-type: square;
padding: 6px 0;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov ul {
margin: 0;
padding: 0 0 0 8px;
}
#ygrp-text {
font-family: Georgia;
}
#ygrp-text p {
margin: 0 0 1em 0;
}
#ygrp-text tt {
font-size: 120%;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right: none !important;
}
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