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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT-BR">Karitiana py'ej (Vi: estudar, ler,
escrever)<span> </span>(David Landin 2005)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT-BR"><span></span>Karitiana
py'ejep (N: letras, escrito)<span> </span>(David
Landin 2005)<br></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT-BR"><o> </o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT-BR"><span></span>Guarani Mbya
-echa kuaa (reconhecer, saber ler; cf.-echa- < PTG *eCa ver e <span> </span>kuaa < PTG *kuaab saber) onde C = ch</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT-BR"><span></span></span><span lang="PT-BR">Guarani Mbya
</span><span lang="PT-BR"><span></span>-eroayvu (falar com, ler, descarregar arma; cf. –ero- causativo/comitativo.
ayvu <span> </span>< *aibu idioma/ruído) Dooley<br></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT-BR"><o> </o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT-BR"><span> </span>Guajá
-awirok- (dar nome, nomear, ler) onde erok significa dar nome</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT-BR"><o> </o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT-BR"><span> </span>Guarani Paraguaio
monhe'en (cl. a-; ler; cf. -mo- < PTG *mo- causativo e –nhe’en < PTG
*je’eng falar) Literalmente: <font color="#000000">"fazer falar"</font><br></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT-BR"><o> </o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT-BR"><span> </span>Tupinambá
akwatiamongetá (V: ler; cf.-kwatia- , PTG *kwatiar desenhar e -mongetá < *mongeta
falar)<span> </span>Silveira Bueno 1982:45
aquatiàmongetá. Literalmente: "<font color="#000000">falar o desenhado</font>"<br></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT-BR"><span> </span>Guajajara
yemangetá (V: ler; cf. ye < PTG *je reflexivo e -mangetá < *mongeta falar) literalmente falar-se<br></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT-BR"><o> </o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 35.4pt;"><span lang="PT-BR"> Kokama leishka (V:
ler, empréstimo do espanhol leer e do quechua -shka)<span> </span>Rosa Vallejos 2010:40</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 35.4pt;"><span lang="PT-BR"><o> </o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 35.4pt;"><span lang="PT-BR">Fora do tronco
Tupi:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 35.4pt;"><span lang="PT-BR"><o> </o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 35.4pt;"><span lang="PT-BR">Cuna (Chibcha
Paez)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 35.4pt;"><span lang="PT-BR">absoge<span> </span>(confesar, perguntar, ler)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 35.4pt;"><span lang="PT-BR">absogedi (pajé,
xamã)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 35.4pt;"><span lang="PT-BR"><o> </o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 35.4pt;"><span lang="PT-BR">Tarasca Chibcha
Paez</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 35.4pt;"><span lang="PT-BR">arinteni (V:
ler)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 35.4pt;"><span lang="PT-BR">shirantarini (V:
ler; cf. shiranta papel)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 35.4pt;"><span lang="PT-BR"><o> </o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT-BR">Macuxi (Caribe)<br>
erenka (ler, cantar)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT-BR"><o> </o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT-BR">Proto Algonquin</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT-BR">*akime.wa (V: contar,
ler)</span></p>
<br>Victor A. Petrucci<br>
Campinas - Brasil<br><br><br><br><br><hr id="stopSpelling">To: etnolinguistica@yahoogrupos.com.br<br>From: kariri@gmail.com<br>Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:03:59 -0400<br>Subject: [etnolinguistica] 'Ler' em línguas antes ágrafas<br><br>
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Prezados,<br>
<br>
Uma curiosidade: como se diz "ler" nas línguas indígenas com as quais<br>
vocês trabalham? Em geral, para "escrever" tenho visto uma tendência<br>
a se usar algo cujo significado antes da adoção da escrita era<br>
basicamente 'desenhar' (por exemplo, Karajá riti, que se refere<br>
especialmente a padrões gráficos geométricos, do tipo que se pinta em<br>
esteiras, etc.). Para "ler", no entanto, a construção em Karajá é em<br>
princípio menos transparente: a coisa lida é marcada com a posposição<br>
instrumental =di e o verbo usado significa, basicamente, 'caminhar'<br>
(ou seja, "eu caminho com o livro" = "eu leio"). Antes de atribuir<br>
isto a um simples caso de homonímia, gostaria de saber se alguém<br>
conheceria exemplos parecidos em outras línguas.<br>
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Desde já, muito obrigado por quaisquer respostas.<br>
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Abraços,<br>
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Eduardo<br>
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