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<p><div dir="ltr">Salut Françoise,<div><br></div><div>it's indeed an interesting language, and I'm hoping to learn more about it in my next trip to the three remaining Taruma (living in a small subvillage near a larger Wapishana village, Maruranau, in Guyana). A certain vague similarity with Tupi-Guarani had also occurred to me (and also because nouns appear to have two forms, an /a/-final and a /u/- or /y/-final form, which sort of reminded me of the famous /a/ suffix, or rather particle, found on arguments in Tupi-Guarani languages). But there were only a huandful of words... (Harald Hammarstrôm is running some osrt of comparison algorithm to check for possibly similar languages; since he has many wordlists from many South American languages, I'm hoping some good candidate might show up...)</div><div><br></div><div>'Taruma' is indeed /kudjásy/, but the usual word for 'person' is /kwásy/ -- I don't know if it is a reduced form or a term related in some other form. This reduces the likelihood of /kudja/ as some sort of formative element.</div><div><br></div><div>Sérgio.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-02-23 6:51 GMT-03:00 ROSE Francoise <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Francoise.ROSE@ish-lyon.cnrs.fr" target="_blank">Francoise.ROSE@ish-lyon.cnrs.fr</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d;">Weird… some of these words seems TG to me, but not many:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d;">Camino ape in Emerillon<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d;">Cobra bodj-uhu in Emerillon<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d;">Nariz sĩ in Emerillon<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d;">+ others less obvious but possible cognates<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d;">Note also that the word for Turma starts with kudja, used in TG languages in N for humans (in Emerillon for adolescent,
but can be also for woman…).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d;">I am curious to know more of that language!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Envoyé :</b> lundi 23 février 2015 03:23<br>
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<b>Objet :</b> [etnolinguistica] Taruma?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">Caros amigos,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">coletei recentemente dados da língua Taruma, com três falantes remanescentes que vivem entre os Wapishana da Guiana, e estou procurando possíveis conexões com outras línguas (sobretudo as faladas perto da boca
do Rio Negro, de onde os Taruma aparentemente se deslocaram depois da chegada dos colonizadores europeus). Dou aqui algumas palavras em Taruma; será que algum de vocês conheceria alguma língua com palavras semelhantes?'(Até o presente, o Taruma é considerado
uma língua isolada.)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">Abraços,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">Sérgio Meira<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">acento agudo = acento de intensidade<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">dj = <j> no inglês <jump>, mas retroflexo e com um pouco de rotacismo<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">y = i-barrado (a vogal central alta)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">c = <tch> em <tcheco><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">x = <ch> em <chato><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">f = bilabial fricativa surda<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">j = glide palatal (<y> no inglês <yes>)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">' = oclusão glotal<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">~ = nasalização<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">sol - <b>wã</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">lua - <b>bíwa</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">estrela - <b>wíre</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">terra - <b>dúdu</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">água<b> - dja</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">fogo - <b>fwa</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">pedra - <b>ápe</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">caminho - <b>áfe, áfea</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">floresta - <b>nukúda</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">peixe - <b>áre</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">pássaro - <b>djýri</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">anta - <b>báki</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">onça - <b>dány</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">cotia <b>- ty</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">veado <b>- híci</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">queixada - <b>hézu</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">caititu - <b>bá'e</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">tatu <b>- kabáju</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">mutum - <b>fufúki</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">cobra - <b>báh</b></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">ũ</span></b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">piranha - <b>kína</b></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">pimenta <b>- nádu</b></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">cabeça <b>- áda</b></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">eu - <b>(h)áma</b></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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