"I'm gonna get me a dog" and the 'ethical dative'

Jeffrey S. Turley jst at email.byu.edu
Tue Sep 28 17:24:41 UTC 2004


Dear Clancy,

I've studied Spanish clitics quite a bit, and I'm not sure I've noticed
that the frequency of ethical datives are lower in the 3rd person. I
know this isn't scientific, but a Google search of "se le murió" and "se
me murió" turned up almost equal number of hits.

Best,

Jeff Turley

Date sent:      	Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:21:57 -0500 (EST)
From:           	clements <clements at indiana.edu>
Subject:        	[FUNKNET] "I'm gonna get me a dog" and the 'ethical dative'
To:             	"Stahlke, Herbert F.W." <hstahlke at bsu.edu>
Copies to:      	Leon Stassen <l.stassen at let.kun.nl>, funknet at mailman.riceedu

> The term 'ethical dative' is often used to name a similar phenomenon in
> Spanish, of the type
>
> Se 	ME 		murio' 	el 	gato.
> EMPH   1sg-dative	died	the	cat
> 'My cat died on me.'
>
> Esta 	nena 		no 	me 		come.
> this	little.girl	NEG	1sg-dative	eats
> 'This little girl is not wanting to eat (for me).'
>
> In Spanish, it seems more frequently in 1st and 2nd person than in
> 3rd. I don't know if anyone has studied the distribution of this in
> English. It'd be interesting to know whether the distribution is sensitive
> to person and number distinctions.
>
> Clancy Clements
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Stahlke, Herbert F.W. wrote:
>
> > I'm interested that you use the term "ethical dative" for this.  It's a term I also used when I suggested this analysis on the other list that Johanna and I discussed this on.  I learned the term from Greek and Latin studies, but it doesn't show up in English studies much.  There is one
footnote on it in the Cambridge Grammar of the English Language.
> >
> > Herb Stahlke
> >
> > ============
> >
> > I'm not a native speaker of English, so maybe I should be reluctant, but I
> > do know that I own an album by a contemporary American songwriter on which
> > the following line can be heard:
> >
> > "I went outside and I smoked myself a J "
> >
> > What is more, I also have an album by some other American songwriter  that
> > has a song with the line:
> >
> > "I had me a girl in Minnesota/ She was only fillin'  her  quota"
> >
> > Both albums sold over three million copies, and I am not aware that any
> > buyer has ever complained about bad English. So one thing I think should be
> > clear: these what i would call "ethical  datives" are a real phenomenon of
> > at least American English.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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