"Hear" as "understand"
Lilian Guerrero
lilianguerrero at yahoo.com
Tue Feb 2 18:18:25 UTC 2010
Dear Nino,
Inside the Uto-Aztecan family, "hear" rather than "see" easily extends its meaning to "understand" and other cognitive senses. If you are interested, I attached a paper on the matter (written in Spanish) which will be published this summer.
Best regards, Lilián
Dra. Lilián Guerrero
Seminario de Lenguas Indígenas
Instituto de Investigaciones Filológicas
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
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1. "Hear" as "understand" (Nino Amiridze)
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4. Re: "Hear" as "understand" (Lukas Pietsch)
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6. Re: "Hear" as "understand" (martin.hilpert)
7. Re: "Hear" as "understand" (Bernard Caron)
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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 20:37:56 +0100
From: Nino Amiridze <nino.amiridze at gmail.com>
Subject: [FUNKNET] "Hear" as "understand"
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Dear colleagues,
I was wondering whether you could help me in finding languages that
use the verb 'hear' for 'understand', just like English uses 'see' for
the same purpose (I see (=I understand)).
I would be grateful if you could give data and/or references, if there
are investigations on the use of the 'see' vs. 'hear' verbs in
figurative language.
Thank you very much.
Best regards,
Nino Amiridze
http://www.hum.uu.nl/medewerkers/n.amiridze/
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:58:40 -0800
From: Johanna Rubba <jrubba at calpoly.edu>
Subject: Re: [FUNKNET] "Hear" as "understand"
To: Nino Amiridze <nino.amiridze at gmail.com>
Cc: LINGTYP at listserv.linguistlist.org, funknet at mailman.rice.edu
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English has something quite similar: A person complains about
something, and the interlocutor says "I hear you, man." This seems to
express sympathy, but also understanding. People also will say "I
hear what you're saying," but again, it seems to be a mixture of
understanding and a message that one is taking the speaker seriously.
Further exploration might be in order.
On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Nino Amiridze wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I was wondering whether you could help me in finding languages that
use the verb 'hear' for 'understand', just like English uses 'see' for
the same purpose (I see (=I understand)).
I would be grateful if you could give data and/or references, if there
are investigations on the use of the 'see' vs. 'hear' verbs in
figurative language.
Thank you very much.
Best regards,
Nino Amiridze
http://www.hum.uu.nl/medewerkers/n.amiridze/
Dr. Johanna Rubba, Associate Professor, Linguistics
Linguistics Minor Advisor
English Department
California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 15:50:00 -0500
From: "Paul Hopper" <hopper at cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: [FUNKNET] 'Hear' as 'understand'
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French entendre would be an obvious example.
Paul
On Mon, February 1, 2010 14:37, Nino Amiridze wrote:
> Dear colleagues,
>
>
> I was wondering whether you could help me in finding languages that
> use the verb 'hear' for 'understand', just like English uses 'see' for the
> same purpose (I see (=I understand)).
>
> I would be grateful if you could give data and/or references, if there
> are investigations on the use of the 'see' vs. 'hear' verbs in figurative
> language.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Nino Amiridze
> http://www.hum.uu.nl/medewerkers/n.amiridze/
>
>
>
--
Prof. Dr. Paul J. Hopper
Senior Fellow
Freiburg Institute for Advanced Studies
Albert-Ludwigs-Universit?t Freiburg
Albertstr. 19
D-79104 Freiburg
and
Paul Mellon Distinguished Professor of Humanities
Department of English
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:07:15 +0100
From: Lukas Pietsch <lukas.pietsch at uni-hamburg.de>
Subject: Re: [FUNKNET] "Hear" as "understand"
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Old High German "firneman" (> Modern German "vernehmen") might be an
example. Apparently from a third, even more concrete original meaning
"take in"; hence "hear"; hence as another meaning in OHG "understand".
Although it might be possible that both the "hear" and the "understand"
meaning could be independently derived in parallel from the literal
"take in".
Lukas
Am Montag, den 01.02.2010, 20:37 +0100 schrieb Nino Amiridze:
> Dear colleagues,
>
> I was wondering whether you could help me in finding languages that
> use the verb 'hear' for 'understand', just like English uses 'see' for
> the same purpose (I see (=I understand)).
>
> I would be grateful if you could give data and/or references, if there
> are investigations on the use of the 'see' vs. 'hear' verbs in
> figurative language.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Best regards,
> Nino Amiridze
> http://www.hum.uu.nl/medewerkers/n.amiridze/
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:30:11 -0600
From: lwl1 at rice.edu
Subject: Re: [FUNKNET] "Hear" as "understand"
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Mandarin Chinese has something similar (not exactly the same). But the
concept of hear has to occur in a compound.
wo ting-shuo...
I hear-say...
"I got to know (from someone else) that..."
Louis Wei-lun Lu
National Taiwan University
?? Lukas Pietsch <lukas.pietsch at uni-hamburg.de>:
> Old High German "firneman" (> Modern German "vernehmen") might be an
> example. Apparently from a third, even more concrete original meaning
> "take in"; hence "hear"; hence as another meaning in OHG "understand".
> Although it might be possible that both the "hear" and the "understand"
> meaning could be independently derived in parallel from the literal
> "take in".
>
> Lukas
>
> Am Montag, den 01.02.2010, 20:37 +0100 schrieb Nino Amiridze:
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> I was wondering whether you could help me in finding languages that
>> use the verb 'hear' for 'understand', just like English uses 'see' for
>> the same purpose (I see (=I understand)).
>>
>> I would be grateful if you could give data and/or references, if there
>> are investigations on the use of the 'see' vs. 'hear' verbs in
>> figurative language.
>>
>> Thank you very much.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Nino Amiridze
>> http://www.hum.uu.nl/medewerkers/n.amiridze/
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:31:48 +0100
From: "martin.hilpert" <martin.hilpert at frias.uni-freiburg.de>
Subject: Re: [FUNKNET] "Hear" as "understand"
To: Nino Amiridze <nino.amiridze at gmail.com>
Cc: funknet at mailman.rice.edu
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Lindstr?m and Wide (2005) discuss the Swedish 'you know'-type discourse
particles /ser du/ ?do you see?, /h?r du/ ?do you hear?, /f?rst?r du/
?do you understand?, and /vet du/ ?do you know?. Maybe that is not 'hear
as understand', but there is definitely some 'see vs. hear'.
Here's the full refrence: Lindstr?m, Jan and Camilla Wide. 2005. Tracing
the origins of a set of discourse particles.Swedish particles of the
type you know. Journal of historical pragmatics. 6.2: 211?236.
Best, --Martin
Nino Amiridze schrieb:
> Dear colleagues,
>
> I was wondering whether you could help me in finding languages that
> use the verb 'hear' for 'understand', just like English uses 'see' for
> the same purpose (I see (=I understand)).
>
> I would be grateful if you could give data and/or references, if there
> are investigations on the use of the 'see' vs. 'hear' verbs in
> figurative language.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Best regards,
> Nino Amiridze
> http://www.hum.uu.nl/medewerkers/n.amiridze/
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:47:06 +0100
From: "Bernard Caron" <caron.bernard at yahoo.fr>
Subject: Re: [FUNKNET] "Hear" as "understand"
To: "'Nino Amiridze'" <nino.amiridze at gmail.com>,
<LINGTYP at listserv.linguistlist.org>, <funknet at mailman.rice.edu>
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Hausa (a Chadic language spoken) as well as closely related other Chadic
languages has exactly what you are looking for :
The concept "understand" is most commonly expressed by the verb "ji",
"hear". The same verb (ji) has the general meaning of "feeling". Litterally,
you "hear a smell", you "hear pity, anger, etc."
A less common alternative to the word "ji" with the meaning "understand" is
the Arabic loanword (fahimta).
Bernard CARON
#13, Nagwamase Crst
A.B.U. Zaria
NIGERIA
(++234 802 60 80 553)
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Dear colleagues,
I was wondering whether you could help me in finding languages that
use the verb 'hear' for 'understand', just like English uses 'see' for
the same purpose (I see (=I understand)).
I would be grateful if you could give data and/or references, if there
are investigations on the use of the 'see' vs. 'hear' verbs in
figurative language.
Thank you very much.
Best regards,
Nino Amiridze
http://www.hum.uu.nl/medewerkers/n.amiridze/
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