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[Amy Sheldon]

I see your point.
But within the current gender system, the critique would be "Any  
Lesbian is not a real woman".

I am not criticizing you, but your choices are attached to certain  
political interpretations, whether you believe in them or not.
I'm making a point about how the logic of standard gender ideology  
positions women who are labeled "masculine" or Lesbian".

  Other gender and sex nonconforming, or resisting, people are also  
similarly positioned.

  I'm sounding a note of caution, to  think about this when/if  
choosing labels, especially before starting a project.  Because the  
labels can implicitly frame the project, and you may not want to  
frame it that way.
Amy


On Mar 25, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Rezenet Moges (cappucheeno at yahoo.com)  
wrote:

> It would not be true if I applied your logic as "masculine" women are
> not "real" women to this statement: "butch" lesbians are not "real"
> lesbians. I use the gender descriptions not to judge the mediocrity  
> of a
> person's sex.
>
> -Rezenet Moges
>
>
> On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:30:54 -0500, Amy Sheldon <asheldon at UMN.EDU>  
> wrote:
>
>>
>> One of the problems I have with the idea of describing nondrag king
>> women as "mascuiline" women, is that it conveys the idea that such
>> women are not "real" women.  Not bona fide. If we stick with labels
>> that come out of the rhetoric of gender hierarchy and gender
>> categories, i.e., the status quo,, that's one of the consequences.
>> Gender is political.
>> Amy
>>
>
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