[gothic-l] Ashkenaz

[Rudy A Carrera]

I'm a bit surprised, considering the depth of knowledge list members have on
Crimea region, that no one seems to realize that King Bulan (a Khazar) chose
Judaism in 8th Century or so, converting his people en masse to avoid having
to ally himself with Rome, Byzantium or the Ottomans...  Of course, if I am
walking in to an old thread where this has been mentioned, I certainly
apologize.

I would surmise, being a layman, that of course these crypto-ethnic-Jews are
of Scythian stock, even if in some small part, thereby making them little
different than the Europeans and Eurasians surrounding them today or in the
past.

Best,


Rudy Carrera
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----- Original Message -----
From: sig <sigmund at algonet.se>
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Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [gothic-l] Ashkenaz


> Thanks Anthony,
>
> So Askenazim, the upper jewish layers in Israel of to-day, are in effect
Scythians! I say. Do the Sefardim know that?
> Did the nazis know it? Amusing dark irony, huh?
>
> Hey, this is extremely interesting. I've never seen it proposed before. In
everyday practice ashkenazim are "east
> European jews" (Polish, Ukranean descent mainly). How come? The jewish
migration to eastern Europe occurred in
> medieval times and are not descendents of the khazars, whos kingdom north
of the Black Sea came to an end 1240 and
> whos inhabitants of Judaism faith were never driven away. The East
European jewry immigrated from west. Or so it
> goes. However, while re-reading "A History of the Jews" by Salomon
Greyzel, I find, indeed, that he specifically
> mentions three important routes of jewish immigration up till the 14th
century; one from western and southern Europe,
> the second from the Danube basin (approx. Hungary) and finally a smaller
contribution from former Khazar lands,
> including the Crimea! Was it perchance this trickle that brought with them
memories of former Scythian origins, thus
> explaining {#-Sh-K-W-Z} = {Ashku:z} = the Scythians? Remember that
Scythian presence on the (Khazar) territories had
> lasted for a milennium or so before Goths, Huns, Turks, Khazars etc
overran the Ukrainean steppes. Could the populace
> have retained some Scythian identity, or at least kept on referring to
their geographical origins with age-old
> Scythian names??
>
> What do you think?
>
> Seigmund
>
>
>
>
>
> >   john gregory presco <jrose at efn.org> wrote (Re Scandinavia and Scania)
>
> > > ... My 'Smith's Bible Dictionary' has the Hebrew word Ashkenaz
> > > "spreading fire" meaning Scand-ia, Scand-inavia. "Knobel considers
that
> > > the Ashkenaz is to be identified with the German race."
>
> > Anthony Appleyard wrote:
>
> > Erh???? {Ashkenaz} (written in Hebrew as {#-Sh-K-N-Z}) is an easy Hebrew
miscopying for {#-Sh-K-W-Z} = {Ashku:z} =
> > the Scythians
>
>
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