[gothic-l] Re: Halirunnae in Getica

Wed Oct 4 15:00:29 UTC 2000

I could swear that while we did not come to a consensus on this topic, it did 
come up agvain after the post to which you (Gendler) refer, and at least 
someone suggested the same answer as you (Fragkisk).
    Note that the word IS found in Koebler, and I did look it up, though as I 
recall I could not decypher his explanation of the first element. Mat aius, 
can you help us with this?

-Ïusteinus

In a message dated 10/4/00 8:16:17 AM, you wrote:

<<I think that haliu- may be in fact halja "hell"

Thus: halja-runa "hell's whisperer" or something like this.

Francisc

--- In gothic-l at egroups.com, "B. Gendler" <gendler at i...> wrote:

> 

>           Hello Folks,

>   Back in message 746 in the archives, Ïusteinus asked about the 

word

> Halirunnae. This word appears in Jordanes The Getica, where he says 

it is a

> Gothic word for "witch." Nobody responded, so I am going to make 

some

> comments and ask some questions. First off, we know that this word 

probably

> has some basis in Gothic. We can assume this because of the 

component

> "Rune," which fits the context. This word should be familiar to us 

as the

> name of the characters of the early Germanic script, but it was

also 

used in

> connection with magic, mystery, conspiracy and witchcraft. A few 

examples

> follow...

> 

>    Archaic English:

> Roun(d) = to Whisper.

>    Anglo-Saxon:

> Run = Mystery, Secrecy, Secret; Council, Consultation; Runic 

Character.

> Runcræftig = Skilled in Mysteries.

> Reonian = to Conspire, Plot.

> Reonung = Whispering, Conspiracy, Plot.

> Runian = to Whisper, Murmur, Talk Secrets, Conspire.

>    Old Saxon:

> Runa = Secret Plan.

> Runon = to Whisper.

>    Faeroese:

> Run = Runic Character; Witchcraft

> Runa = to Practise Witchcraft.

> Runabinda = to Place a Spell Upon.

>    Old Norse:

> Run(ar) = Secrets, Mysteries, Charms; Runic Character.

> Runa = Whisperer.

>    Norwegian:

> Rune = to Cast Charms and Spells; Engage in Secret Arts; Bewitch, 

Charm.

> Runekall = Sorcerer, Magician.

>    New High German:

> Raunen = to Whisper.

>    Old High German:

> Runa = Secret Plan.

> Giruni = Secret, Mystery.

> Runen = to Whisper Secretly.

>    And finally... Gothic:

> Runa = Secret; Secret Plan; Secret Planning, Secret Council; Secret 

Motive,

> Hidden Motivation.

> 

>      (For a more complete list, check out my etymological studies,

> particularly http://www.panikon.com/phurba/r/rune.html The work 

posted there

> is just the beginning of my work and I welcome comments and 

contributions,

> in private e-mail correspondance, of course (gendler at p...). BTW, 

only

> some of the non-commercial parts of the site are up, most of it, 

including

> all of the commercial parts, are not up yet, give us time.)

> 

>     Now, for the questions, What is the "haliur" part. I first 

thought it

> connected to the root for "holy," but this doesn't seem to make 

sense. First

> off, a witch can only be "holy" in pagan times, at best, but the 

root "holy"

> seems to have only come into parlance with the meaning "holy" in 

Christian

> times. It could be the same root in the meaning of "heal" or 

"healthy." This

> would be a rather positive outlook on "witches," as people who 

practiced

> "healing magic," but that somehow doesn't flow with the

presentation 

of

> Jordanes. Jordanes makes them out to be evil. Then again, Jordanes 

was a

> Christian, wasn't he?

>     Now, given all this, would anybody like to take a stab at 

reconstructing

> the original Gothic form of the word or make any comments on its 

possible

> meaning? Any help would be appreciated.

>             Thanks in advance, Gendler.

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