[gothic-l] Re: Harlingen

[Troels Brandt]

Keth - Thank you for your answer below!

These are also the places I found, but reading Germanic-list I 
believe Dirk refers to the name of a town in Germany, which is not in 
my map. I am of course interested to know which of these places have 
earlier been attested as Herulingo and Herlingo - in order to find 
the source and especially to know the age and other possible forms, 
as I am sure Dirk has spelled the names correctly.

Both places are in the area where the Western Heruls could be 
expected to live, when we combine the Roman sources. A similar name 
from 832/853 is found close to or in the Herulian areas of Austria 
(Herilungoburg/Herilungevelde confirmed by Andreas). 

I did not see the importance of the Frisian name Harlingen before 
Dirk also provided us with the earlier form, but the 4 names above 
and their reverse combinations of letters could be another indication 
confirming the theory about a connection between the words Eruli
(L)/Herul(G/E), Eorl(OE)/Earl(E)/Erell(Irish 847) and ErilaR(ON runes 
450-550) as H is often silent. 

I have this question to our linguists:  

Is it possible to compare acceptable deviations from the same name in 
this way? 
Names of places: Herul- - Harl-/Herl- - Heril-
Names of groups: Herul  - Earl  -  Erel-/Eril-

The ending -ingo/-ungo/-unge might be the ending known from Nibelungen
(G), Völsungen(G), Skjoldunger(D) or Ynglinge(S) - or from the
name mentioned in connection with the Goths in Widsith: Herelingas
(OE) probably being the Heruls.  

Troels


--- In gothic-l at y..., keth at o... wrote:
> >--- In gothic-l at y..., dirk at s... wrote:
> >
> >> However, somebody on this list once suggested that they should 
> >> really be called Erils, which I could however not follow. One 
> >> indication may be the placename Harlingen in Frisia, which is 
> >> also attested as Herulingo and Herlingo and which is supposed to 
> >have 
> >> been derived from the western Heruls.
> >
> >Hi Dirk
> >
> >At my map there is a town in Netherland north of Ijsselmeer called 
> >Harlingen and a region in Ostfriesland, Germany called Harlinger 
> >Land. Are both names of the same origin?
> >
> >Troels
> 
> Hei Troels!
> 
> I find Harlingen 26 kilometers almost straight West from
> Leeuwarden, which is the capital of the Dutch province
> (one of the 11) of Friesland. It lies on the coast jjust
> about 9 kilometers Nort of the point where the large
> "Afsluitdijk" connects to the Frisian side of the Ijssel-
> meer. There is also a "Harlingerland" just outside 
> Willemshafen about 50 kilometers West of Hamburg. It too
> is on the "Waddenzee"/"Wattenmeer".
> 
> Harlingen in Frieland, Nederland is the port of the province
> Friesland. It has been an important fishing port, but also
> an important port for import and export of merchandise.
> Litterature:
> D.A.Postema: "Gedenkboek ter gelegenheid van het 700-jarig
> bestaaan van de stad Harlingen" (1934).
> T.Marseille: "Harlingen de vermaerde zeestad."(1985)
> It is a beautiful town and the annual fishing days
> and ship exhibition day attract many tourists.
> 
> Whether the name has anything to do with "Heruls" I 
> do not know. Nor do I know anything about the oldest
> written records of the name. The 700 year city aniversary
> in 1934 seems to me to be quite in the normal order of things.
> Whether this name from the 13th century can then be 
> projected backward in time yet another 7 centuries
> so that the name can be linked to "Heruls" is unknown
> to me.
> 
> Best regards
> Keth


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