[gothic-l] Re: Goth=Gad

[dirk at SMRA.CO.UK]

--- In gothic-l at y..., Yair Davidi <britam at n...> wrote:
> At 11:37 26/06/01 +0000, you wrote:
> >--- In gothic-l at y..., "Tim O'Neill" <scatha at b...> wrote:
> > > It's not a joke unfortunately.  There's a weird
> > > branch of fundamentalist Christians called
> > > 'British Israelites' who believe the twelve lost
> > > tribes of Israel wandered into northern Europe
> > > and founded England, amongst other places.
>
> Not only christians but also Jews and scholars such as Philip
Lozinski.
> The Medieval scholar Rashi also appears to have been of a similar
opinion.
> If some of the Europeans could have come from Inner Asia why not
also
> (or beforehand) from the Middle East.
>
> DNA tests do trace many in Western Europe (as distinct from the
rest)
> back to the Near East but the dates given are enormously too far
back.
>
>
>
>
> >Hi Tim,
> >
> >Yeah, its always either some extreme forms of religion or
> >patriotism when reason goes through the window. The text mentioned
the
> >name of Osnabrueck (a town in North Germany) as being derived from
> >some Israelitic leader (?) called Assi (e.g. Assi-brueck). An
extreme
> >patriot would probably have pointed to the medieval latin name of
the
> >town "Asenburggensis" and claimed that it is derived from the Asen
> >gods. In reality Osnabrueck means the same as Oxford, i.e. a place
at
> >a river that was shallow enough to drive oxens across ... c'est
tout.
>
> The name was Ozni (son of Gad) and the "z" was replaced with "s" in
the north.
> The way of names is that an original meaning may be intended but
according
> to the
>   sound another meaning is attached due to circumstance.



Osnabrueck was founded at a furt across the river Hase and ossen is
Low German for oxen. Brueck means bridge or furt. So it was either a
furt to drive oxen over the Hase river or to drive Ozni over the Hase
river, I prefer the first version, which is also the accepted version.
 Similarly, the Goths have nothing to do with this Gad-person.





> For example the Franks were called Rippuari by the Romans allegedly
because
> they
> dwelt on the banks of the Rhine.
> Actually the Franks termed themselves "Ribbuari" and the Romans
> rationalized this name
> to something that was descriptive in their own langauge and sounded
similar.


The name Ripuari is attested only from the 8th century onwards for the
Rhine Franks, so we don't know if the Romans ever called themselves
"Rippuari". Most authors see the name derived from ripa, i.e. river
bank, so the Ripuari would be the men on the river bank, i.e. Rhine
Franks as opposed to Salian Franks. Other authors suggested that the
name is linked to riparii, a sort of military unit in the Roman army.
This has nothing to do with the Goths, but casts additional doubt on
the assertation that the Goths derive their name from a certain
Gad-person.


cheers,
Dirk


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