[gothic-l] Re: Not Danparstadir

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Hi and sorry for the blank post above- really annoying...,

--- In gothic-l at y..., keth at o... wrote:
> Hi Anders,
> Maybe this is a bit off topic, but perhaps it can be
> seen as an example of principles involved?
>
> >As far as my knowledge goes it is ONLY Homer that uses the name
> >Danai as a general term for greeks. And then the Illiad is
> >fictional..., so I don't believe the greeks ever called called
> >themselves Danai really.
>
> "The ancient Greeks" is a collective term for all the people who
spoke
> Greek, say before Alexander. At some time they must then have
> begun to call themselves "Greeks". But maybe the very oldest Greeks
> did not call themselves Greeks (yet). A common language, or closely
> related dialects is not necessarily enough for a common name.
> Or is it? Then the ancient Germans ought to have had a common
> name from long before the Romans began to call them Germanii.
> The same with the Goths. Did they call themselves Goths from
> the very beginning, or was this just a name that became attached
> later?

We have a good example here in the north: A danish-speaking people (
basically) suddenly in late viking age calling themselves svear.

Back to the greeks. The reason for me not calling the Danaoi tribe
greek is that I don't believe they originally spoke greek. Instead my
humble opinion is that they spoke phoenician. I base this among other
evidence on the Danunian bilingual luwian (1x)-phoenician(3x)
Karatepe inscription from  eigth century Cilicia. These are by most
people considered to be identical with the Sea people tribe Danuna.
> (In other words: Did Berig call himself a Goth?)
>
>
> >But apparently there was an ancient tribe in Argos or Argolis in
> >today's Greece that was called Danaoi. These are coupled tho the
myth
> >about Danaos and Aigyptos which in brief goes:
> >Danaos had 50 daughters who married 50 of Aigyptos sons. They were
> >instructed by their father to kill their husbands on the wedding
> >night, and all of them did so exept one. Then they fled to greece,
to
> >Argos according to some versions, but according to Herodotos they
> >came to Rhodes.
>
> Interesting myth. Could it relate to a story about Amazons?
>
>
> >
> >Because of this the (and possibly other evidence) Danaoi seems to
be
> >connected to the Sea People tribe Danuna, which took part in the
> >attacks on Egypt around 1200 BC. This tribe also seems to be
> >connected to the Dan tribe in the Old Testament.
>
> Do you believe the ancient Israelites was such a tremendously
> large group of people, that all later groups are somehow
> related to one or more of their tribes?

As I'm not a religious of any sort, I don't believe that the Bible
is " the word of God".
On the contrary, from the evidence it seems as if the OT until Judges
is a made-up story. The "12 tribes of israel is therefore also most
certaily also made up. The number 12 seems to symbolise completion of
some sort(zodiac, Jacobs sons,tribes, apostles etc.). The Dan tribe
seems to be one such made up tribe. Also evidence in the bible
supports this:
Dan being born to bilhah, not Lea or Rakel, The special connection
with Moses, The lack of genealogy, The VERY early disappearance of
the tribe in the Bible etc.

>
> I was actually amazed when I read that archaeologist have hardly
> found a single trace of Israel's 400 year stay in Egypt.
>
> The sea peoples are interesting. I believe they were
> the ones who attacked the coasts of Palestine and settled
> there as Filistians. But according to the Bible, the sea peoples
> were then the foes of the Jews, and not their own lost tribes.

see above
The discussions on AncientBibleHistory is really good on this subject.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AncientBibleHistory

Tangentially
Anders
> Best regards
> Keth


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