[gothic-l] Re: Heruls

[hakan36 at SPRAY.SE]

--- In gothic-l at y..., Ingemar Nordgren <ingemar.nordgren at e...> wrote:
> Håkan wrote:
> > 
> > Hej Ingemar,
> > 
> > I have seen similar thoughts somewhere about Rink, Rick-names
> > connected with warriors of a higher class. Your ideas seems very
> > realistic, and interesting. We can probably both agree that these
> > names might reflect an idea that could be connected with a feudal
> > system with a earls/warlords and warriors. The sixth 
headline "About
> > golden rings and necklaces", seems very interesting in this 
respect.
> > In almost all these areas have been found "erilaR"-inscriptions, 
and
> > the latest I´ve heard was that also one had been found at 
Bornholm,
> > but I don´t remember the source. Far down in that page, you will 
also
> > find a great picture of the Järsberg-stone, in Värmland, right at 
the
> > old border between "swiones" and "geats", with the "erilaR"-
> > inscription. Somewhere on that site you will also find a map of 
the
> > necklaces and "erilaR"-inscriptions made in northern Europe.
> > 
> > Furthermore there might be a connection with large grave-fields 
also
> > in stone-ring formations. One such formation, you can find 1 km 
north
> > of the city-center in Höör, just right of the main road. The SW 
point
> > of a square with Vätteryd-Sösdala in NW, Rickarum in the NE and
> > Fulltofta in the SE. There is a possibility that they are all
> > connected. What is more likely than that the heruls brought a 
feudal-
> > warrior system to all these places.
> 
> Hej Håkan!
> 
> We are agreed except about the Herules. The problem is the rings of
> standing stones are dated between early pre-Roman IA and Roman IA 
and
> Migration period and the Heruls are said to have arrived in the 6th 
c.
> Besides, many of these places on Ring- have an earlier name Sol- 
wich
> still remains specially in Svealand and on Öland. They must 
accordingly
> once have been connected to the old solar cult and later the early 
cult
> of Gaut and  Óðinn-gaut. There  are however no objections if  you 
mean
> the Herules also could have used these places as indeed being 
odinistic,
> but they did not start them up. Your further information was very
> interesting. I think we should have a deeper chat off line.
> 
> Varma hälsningar
> Ingemar
> Håkan wrote:
> > I have seen similar thoughts somewhere about Rink, Rick-names
> > connected with warriors of a higher class. Your ideas seems very
> > realistic, and interesting. We can probably both agree that these
> > names might reflect an idea that could be connected with a feudal
> > system with a earls/warlords and warriors. The sixth 
headline "About
> > golden rings and necklaces", seems very interesting in this 
respect.
> > In almost all these areas have been found "erilaR"-inscriptions, 
and
> > the latest I´ve heard was that also one had been found at 
Bornholm,
> > but I don´t remember the source. Far down in that page, you will 
also
> > find a great picture of the Järsberg-stone, in Värmland, right at 
the
> > old border between "swiones" and "geats", with the "erilaR"-
> > inscription. Somewhere on that site you will also find a map of 
the
> > necklaces and "erilaR"-inscriptions made in northern Europe.
> > 
> > Furthermore there might be a connection with large grave-fields 
also
> > in stone-ring formations. One such formation, you can find 1 km 
north
> > of the city-center in Höör, just right of the main road. The SW 
point
> > of a square with Vätteryd-Sösdala in NW, Rickarum in the NE and
> > Fulltofta in the SE. There is a possibility that they are all
> > connected. What is more likely than that the heruls brought a 
feudal-
> > warrior system to all these places.
> 
> Hej Håkan!
> 
> We are agreed except about the Herules. The problem is the rings of
> standing stones are dated between early pre-Roman IA and Roman IA 
and
> Migration period and the Heruls are said to have arrived in the 6th 
c.
> Besides, many of these places on Ring- have an earlier name Sol- 
wich
> still remains specially in Svealand and on Öland. They must 
accordingly
> once have been connected to the old solar cult and later the early 
cult
> of Gaut and  Óðinn-gaut. There  are however no objections if  you 
mean
> the Herules also could have used these places as indeed being 
odinistic,
> but they did not start them up. Your further information was very
> interesting. I think we should have a deeper chat off line.

Hej Ingemar!

Sorry for being so late with my answer, but I have had a lot of work 
lately. thank for your many interesting facts. I think that you are 
right when you state that most of the standing ring stones belongs to 
the Roman IA and the periods before. When it comes to Vätteryd grave-
field, I think it was Berta Stjern-quist or Märta Strömberg that had 
the opinion that this grave-field begins around 550 AD. With the 
Sösdala find just one to two km to the north, one cannot help 
thinking about a possible connection with intruding heruls or the 
unrest as a result of a large invading group of people. Just ten km 
south of these places, the highland goes down conciderably, forming a 
natural defense-line with miles after miles of wast woodlands to the 
east and west. The view here is great with a possibility to have an 
outlook for twenty to thirty km away in good weather-conditions. 
Maybe it´s a connection with the irritation between early swedes and 
danes, described in "Rolf Krakes saga" by Saxo Grammaticus and 
Wulfstans information to Alfred the great that Blekinge(and maybe 
earlier NE Skåne/Scania)and Öland belonging to the swedes of the 
Mälar valley. But this do not include the gauts area(Götaland). I 
think that Lars Gahrn have some interesting thoughts about the 
extension of the gauts area in early history. I am also looking 
forward to read your book, which I will probably do soon. We 
defenitely should have a chat off-line. 

A webcamera link looking south from the ridge.
http://www.hoor.se

PS I have forwarded your message about cultural destruction in 
Afghanistan to a number of people DS 


Varma hälsningar




Håkan Liljeberg


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