[gothic-l] Re: Gothic and Gotlandic Sailing

[faltin2001]

--- In gothic-l at y..., Tore Gannholm <tore.gannholm at s...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >Tore,
> >
> >It was for a long time common understanding that the Earth was the
> >center of the universe. The problems with many old scholars is that
> >their scientific methods were not as sound as modern methods and in
> >addition they often wrote in a different political climate. Thus,
> >they would generally be more open to engaging in speculation and
> >accepting the speculative statements of one generation of scholars
as
> >unchangable facts into the next generation.
> >
> >These 'Stammeskundler' quadrupled the knowledge about the Germanic
> >tribes, but they also have ininvertedly done tremendous damage. See
> >for example the article by J. Blischke 'Die Wielbark-Kulture und
die
> >Problematik der Gotenwanderung' in "Archaeologische Informationen,"
> >19/1&2, 1996, pp. 117-123. Blischke shows in this article how the
> >teachings of Kosinna, Nerman, Oxenstierna, Engel et alia, have
> >stifled archaeological research on the Gothic migrations for
almost a
> >century. In short, to argue that the 'old scholars' were perhaps
> >correct in this case, you would have to provide evidence to support
> >this.
> >
> >I really think that Andreas has provided the answer in his message
> >above. It seems reasonable to assume that before 289AD the Heruli
> >lived somewhere east of Holstein, perhaps the Mecklenburg coast,
> >perhaps some Danish isles These areas are close together and
> >difference cannot really be of any concern. This might enable the
> >identification of the Heruls with the Hirri, who apparently lived
at
> >the Mecklenburg coast in the first century AD and who were
mentioned
> >by Pliny, but that is speculation as everything else beyond this
> >point.
> >
> >Dirk
> >
>
> Dirk,
> I think we agree on these things more than you think.
>
> This was of course Denmark when some of these authors wrote their
works.
> We tend to forget that borders change.
> Tore
> --


Tore,

actually I always thought that we agree on more than both of us are
often aware and I bet if our discussions were face to face we would
not have the slightest problem. Online discussions cut away all the
non-verbal communications which makes up at least half of total
communications.

At any rate, it is good to remind ourselves that neither Germany nor
Denmark existed at the time in question and since national borders
shifted back and forth it can be confusing to use modern state
borders to deliminate ancient tribal territories. Eruli were neither
Danes nor Germans (i.e.modern Germans) nor Austrians let alone
Moravians or Slowakians etc. they just happened to cross the
respective territories and many more at some stages in the past.

Dirk













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