[gothic-l] Re: Accepting Elias Wessens Conclusion

[faltin2001]

--- In gothic-l at y..., "Bertil Haggman" <mvk575b at t...> wrote:
> The recent book by Kaliff offers som good insight into
> the archaelogical finds and the relations between Goths
> and South Scandinavia on all sides of the Baltic Sea. 
> I would have to refer you to that book.
> 
> I don't think designating the goths as "thugs" is very helpful.


I used this term to emphasise the qualitative difference to the 
name 'regnum Ostrogotorum' which you used and which I think is not 
historically correct. Also I put the term in apostrophs to mark its 
unofficial nature. I agree, 'warrior' sounds better, but what it 
often came down to is the extortionist behaviour by thugs.

The title seems to be "Gudaträd och västgötska skottkungar – Sveriges 
bysantinska arv"

Dirk





> 
> Would have to refer you to the RLK book. The title was put on this 
list
> by me in some bibliographical notes of January 11, 2002. I
> apologize for being too busy right now to find it for you, but I
> am sure you can discover it in the archives.
> 
> Bertil Haggman
>  
> > How do they reconcile this with the archaeological evidence which 
> > shows that the material culture of the Wielbark-Goths and people 
in 
> > Scandinavia was very different, causing all major archaeologist 
to 
> > reject an Scandinavian origin of the Goths?
> > What is the title of that book, please?
> 
> > I think it is important to fill this high-flying term 'regnum 
> > Ostrogotorum' with some flesh. It likely meant that a 'bunch of 
> > Gothic (not Ostrogothic) thugs' appeared in these areas from time 
to 
> > time to extort tributes.
> > 
> > What does this 'myths' say exactly? What is its source and name? 
This 
> > subordination, does it include tribute payments, referal of 
important 
> > decision to the Gothic king? How long would it take for Gothic 
envoys 
> > to travel from the region north of the Black Sea to Scandinavia 
to 
> > enforce this subordination?


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