[gothic-l] Re: Goths, Eruli in the East

[Oskar Andersson]

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From: "faltin2001" <dirk at smra.co.uk>
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Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 11:18 AM
Subject: [gothic-l] Re: Goths, Eruli in the East


> --- In gothic-l at y..., "Oskar Andersson" <o.andersson at g...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > 
> > > >--- Oskar Andersson <o.andersson at g...> wrote:
> > > >>  I am not sure that we have to have immigration to
> > > >>  make this change in culture.
> > > >>  If there indeed was a Herul migration to Lake
> > > >>  M"laren region, how come they
> > > >>  influenced it so much? Did people accept their
> > > >>  authority or were they so many
> > > >>  in numbers that they could have gained control over
> > > >>  the region?
> > > >>  Personally I just find it very hard to accept this
> > > >>  theory of Herul immigration
> > > >>  because I don't find the evidence conclusive enough.
> > > >
> > > >*****GK: As someone not familiar with Scandinavian
> > > >languages except via dictionaries and/or kind helping
> > > >souls, may I be allowed to ask a peripheral question?
> > > >I have once read that the title "Jarl" ["Earl" (Eng.)]
> > > >was due to the Heruli and could be used as an argument
> > > >for their influence in the North. Is this true or a
> > > >myth?******
> > > >
> > > 
> > > You are right.
> > > There are certain scolars that have suggested that jarl, earl 
> might 
> > > have someting to do with Eruli.
> > > 
> > > Tore
> > > -- 
> > 
> > Indeed, but as far as I have remembered this has been the topic for 
> > debate among scholars too. It is far from certain. Another word 
> with 
> > connections claimed to the Heruli is that of "erilaz," found on 
> rune stones.
> > 
> > I am not too updated on the etymology subject, but I take for 
> granted that 
> > some significant research has been done since Hellquist's 
> Etymological 
> > Lexicon!
> > 
> > Best,
> > Oskar
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> there was a discussion of this question on the Germanic-L. Some 
> linguistically very knowledgeable members there seem to reject the 
> idea that 'erilaz' is derived from the tribal name of the 'Eruli'. 
> Apparently, it was argued that it derives from a common Germanic word 
> for 'free man' or so. That was at leat my understanding from the 
> discussion there.
> 
> cheers,
> Dirk

I missed that debate. I think "erilaz" has been interpreted as 
"rune-master" by some authors too. I am not sure which ones, 
but it may be O. Von Friesen and perhaps Wessén.

Best,
Oskar


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