[gothic-l] Re: The Language of the Goths

[faltin2001]

--- In gothic-l at y..., "Lada" <smntpk at p...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: faltin2001 <dirk at s...>
> To: <gothic-l at y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 9:44 AM
> Subject: [gothic-l] Re: The Language of the Goths
>
>
> > --- In gothic-l at y..., "Lada" <smntpk at p...> wrote:
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Stephen Mark Carey <smcarey at a...>
> > > To: <gothic-l at y...>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 6:46 PM
> > > Subject: [gothic-l] The Language of the Goths
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > in a clearly defined and identified area of northern Poland
and
> > > > > nowhere else. BTW, even the latest Brockhaus entry on the
Goths
> > has
> > > > > now abandoned the old thesis of a Scandinavian origin of the
> > Goths.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dirk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Where does the linguistic evidence fall in this regard. Is
there
> > a heavy
> > > > Gothic influence on Polish -- or are you dealing with "German"
> > areas of
> > > > Poland -- how about gothic influence on Old Prussian -- or
does
> > your
> > > > theory force one to reconsider whether the Gothic Language was
> > actually
> > > > spoken by the "Goths"?
> > > >
> > > >     I think the language influenced must have been ment to Old
> > High
> > > German.
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am not a linguist, but as far as I know the only west Germanic
> > language/dialect that borrowed a number of words from Gothic is
> > Bavarian. Most of the Gothic words in Bavarian are detectable
only or
> > among others by the fact that they are exclusive to Bavarian.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It does contain some words which can be soundly suspected to have
> > > come through Gothic. Beside that Old High German shares with
Gothic
> > some
> > > inherited forms it does not with most other Germanic languages.
> > >       Otherwise speakers, of the west - slavic dialect, which
would
> > become
> > > Polish did not live anywhere nearby, at the time
> >
> >
> > Agreed
> > Cheers,
> > Dirk
> >
> >  Well, Dirk you should have quoted all of my letter. The future
Polish
> speakers did not live ther at the time, but the language is
infuenced by
> Gothic. I am not providing any answers, but the borrowing must be
very
> early, almost certainly before the common Slavic broke into
dialects we now
> today.



I never diputed that early Slavic borrowed from East Germanic
dialects. Nevertheless, in my parlance that is not exactly the same
as saying that Polish is influenced by Gothic.





 Most slavic languages share hle^bu (e^ is the sound known as Jat,
> open e and u is the only way I could represent the velar hypershort
jor) and
> smoky, gen. smokuve and some more. This one must have been borrowed
before
> final o^ (long o) became gothic a, and before slavic u^ became
> y.Furthermorre the same applies to bouky, boukuve  which is common
Slavic.
>     So, the influence there was, but I suspect it was later and the
contaac
> should be more to south and east (which would fall with your
Bavarian
> influenced by Gothic).


BTW, Gothic also borrowed from Slavic. For example, the word 'bala'
for a white horse in Gothic seems to reflect Slavic 'belo' for white.

cheers,
Dirk




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