[gothic-l] Re: GUTANI WIHAILAG

[Ravi Chaudhary]

Thanks it was the  use of the H that was of interest, and the  Th 
sound not  the T sound, that is got transformed from.


That makes sense to me,

 Is this kind of transformation common?
 
Are therE other examples ? 

Ravi




--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Francisc Czobor" <fericzobor at y...> 
wrote:
> Hello, Ravi
> 
> I didn't understand very well your question, but I'll try to give 
an 
> answer.
> Gutane (which can be read on the golden necklace of the Gothic 
> treasury of Pietroasa, Romania) was interpreted (among other 
> alternatives, see Dirk's recent messages) as genitive plural of a 
> masculie n-stem *Gutan-, which would be in nominative singular 
*Guta, 
> plural *Gutans, thus *Gutane would mean "of the Goths" (cf. 
> Köbler's "Gotisches Wörterbuch" and the literature indicated 
there). 
> The feminine form would be Guto "Gothic woman", which is attested 
as 
> a personal name. It is shure that the Goths used for themselves the 
> root Gut-, the word Gut-thiuda "Goth-people" (= "Gothic people") 
> being attested in the Gothic Calendar.
> Now regarding the modern English word Goth. According to Webster's 
> New World College Dictionary, it is derived from late Latin Gothi, 
> which in it's turn comes from Greek Gothoi (or Gotthoi, according 
to 
> my Old Greek dictionary). The "h" was apparently introduced by the 
> Greeks. In Old Greek "th" (theta) was an aspirated [t] and not the 
> English interdental sond "th". In Latin, "th" was only a graphy, it 
> was read [t]. It is noteworthy that in Latin is attested also the 
> form "Goti", namely in Gothic Latin texts (see Köbler), which means 
> that the original sound was "t", not "th". It is also worth to 
> mention that the Old English form is "Gotan" (see Webster), 
> without "h" and with the same n-stem as in the putative Gothic form 
> *Gutan-. Also in other languages, the name of the Goths doesn't 
> contain the "h", for example the German "Goten" (again n-stem!).
> Regarding the transformation short [u] > short [o], it is attested 
in 
> all Germanic languages and also in later stage of Gothic (latinized 
> Gothic words in latin sources, Crimean Gothic words of XVIth 
century).
> 
> With best regards,
> Francisc
> 
> 
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chaudhary" 
> <ravichaudhary2000 at y...> wrote:
> > To both of  you 
> > 
> > How do one derive Goth from Gut- ane.?
> > 
> > Ravi


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