[gothic-l] Re: Daco-Getic

[Sunny]

Hi Francisc, thanks for taking to time to comment on Lundius.  Thank 
you Dirk for your view, I will keep this in mind.  Francisc, a few 
comment on your response if I may?:

"They were generically designated as Getai (in Greek) / Getae 
(in Latin) and Daci (in Latin). The two terms were almost equivalent, 
but Getae referred mainly to the tribes along the Danube, whereas 
Daci to the tribes within the Carpathian mountains (today's 
Transylvania, in central and western Romania). Now is admitted that 
Daci and Getae represented the same people and are referred to by 
many historians as "Daco-Getae"
.Thracian was an Indo-
European language group of the "satem" branch, being thus more 
related to the Balto-Slavic, Indo-Iranian and Phrygian-Armenian 
language groups, and fairly distant from the Germanic languages, that 
belonged to the "kentum" branch of the Indo-European family (together 
with Italic, Celtic, Greek, Hittito-Luvite and Tocharian
"

According to Leake, the area around Thrace was called "Little-
Scythia" by the classical writers, is this true?

I agree that the Dacians were the same or similar to the Getae.  
Leake writes, "From Strabo's time on, the Getae and Daci were 
considered to the same people and their names were used 
interchangeably (Leake 1967: 22)."  Mircea Elaide, in his book 
Zalmoxis, equates the Dacians with the Dahae branch of Sakas:

According to Strabo (304: 7, 3, 12), the original name of the Dacians 
was daoi
certain nomadic Scythians to the east of the Caspian Sea 
were also called daoi.  The Latin authors called them Dahae, and some 
Greek historians daai
At first the name "Dacians" were referred to 
one of the Thracian tribes in Northwestern Dacia (Strabo 304: 7. 3. 
12).  In general the name "Getae" occurs more commonly toward the 
Black Sea, from the Balkans to the Dniester, whereas, the 
name "Dacians" is more frequent in the northwest, west, and the 
south
. (Eliade 1970: 1-2,12).

Now Arnold Toynbee, believed the Thracian Getae to be an early 
splinter groups of the Eastern Scythians, he wrote, "It is, however, 
perhaps more likely that the European Getae and Davi (Daci), like 
their homonyms east of the Volga, were a pair of the original Iranian 
speaking hordes who gradually became assimilated to the sedentary 
Thracian-speaking populations whom they conquered (Toynbee 1934: 435 
(vII))."

So were the Daco-Getans originally the Dahae and Massagetae found 
east of the Caspian Sea?  Regards,

Eliade, M. Zalmoxis, The Vanishing God. Translated by Trask, W. 
Chicago and London. University of Chicago Press: 1970.

Leake, J.A. The Geats of Beowulf. Madison, Milwaukee, and London.  
University of Wisconsin Press:  1967.

Toynbee, A. A Study of History. Vol. 2., London. Oxford University 
Press: 1939, First Published in 1934.



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