[gothic-l] Re: Vladimir

[faltin2001]

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> Gazariah,
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> I did not speak of [jarilo] in
> Old Russian, I only mentioned this
> stem incidentally in connection
> with a particular question of umlauts
> in Gothic.
>
> A single "attestation" of [jarilo]
> known to me is the Rimsky-Korsakov's
> opera "Snegurochka" where this
> personage appears as a solar deity.
> The long discussion on [jarilo],
> whatever did it/he/she mean, seems
> to exceed the bounds of the Gothic-L.
> To tell the truth, I also would like
> to know how old is the word and what
> is its origin, but what have other
> members of the Gothic-L to do with
> all this? Let's have mercy on them.
> Perhaps we would continue our
> discussion bypassing the Gothic-L?
>
>



Hi Vladimir,

just a stab in the dark, but Jarilo as Slavic sun deity may be
related to the Russian word for hot.






>
> PS. Of course, I never thought [jarilo]
> or Airils to have any connection with
> eorl/jarl. I concede Russian [bojarin]
> "boyar" might be derivative from
> Scandinavian "bo jarl" meaning "manor
> (feudal) lord", though a commonly
> accepted etymology for [bojarin] is
> Turkic [bojlar] as a plural from [bojl]
> with not clear meaning.
>
>


Indeed, the word 'boyar' is of turkic/tataric origin and has nothing
to do with jarl.

cheers
Dirk

>
> Regards,
>
> Vladimir
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: gazariah [mailto:brahmabull at h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 7:38 PM
> To: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [gothic-l] Re: Vladimir
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> Vladimir,
>
> You speak of /jarilo/ in Old Russian. Where do we have it attested?
I
> find it in Dal', but that only takes us back to the 19th century.
It
> would be good to have some kind of idea about how old the word is.
>
> The idea about +dlo was my own, and I am very ready to give it up.
In
> any case, the formant /-elo/ present in /chuchelo/ and /pugalo/
(both
> meaning a dummy or scarecrow), seems to account for /jarilo/ as
based
> on the same pattern, with root from /jara/.
>
> Dal' speaks of /jarilo/ as the name of a pre-Christian deity, but
> Vasmer, after giving that theory and citing the literature, finds
it
> unconvincing.
>
> If you advise not relying "too much" on Vasmer, what would you
> recommend as a reference? People have been etymologizing for a long
> time, and it seems to me we should at least start with a reference
> that reviews whatever work has been done in the past.
>
> Regards,
> Gazariah
>
>
>
>
>
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