[gothic-l] Re: Vladimir (bojar)

[Francisc Czobor]

Hi!

This is already off-topic, but I want to add some words about the 
word bojarin:
In the etymological dictionaries accessible for me, the explanations 
are contradictory:
The Hungarian etymological dictionary states that the word, which in 
Hungarian is "bojár" and means "Russian or Romanian land owner", is 
of Slavic origin. There are given examples in several Slavic 
languages (including Russian), and states that the source is from Old 
Bulgarian (bol'ar), where it comes probably from Turkic-Bulgar.
In Romanian there is the word "boier" which means "Romanian feudal 
land owner" and is indeed most probably of Old Bulgarian origin, like 
the great majority of Romanian words of Slavic origin.
On the other hand, Webster's (under the entry "boyar" = "member of 
the privileged aristocracy in czarist Russia; member of the 
privileged aristocracy in Romania") gives as etymology the Russian 
boyarin, pl. boyare "grandee" < boj "battle".
I have once read in a Hungarian dictionary found in a library that 
one of the etymologies proposed for the word "magyar" (the own 
designation of Hungarians) would be a Turkic "bayar" = "nobleman", 
although the most accepted version is the Finno-Ugric origin of this 
word. What is not clear for me is if there is indeed attested a 
word "bayar" in some Turkic language or is only presumed (based 
eventually on "bojar").

Francisc


--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "faltin2001" <dirk at s...> wrote:
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "?????? ????????" <vegorov at i...> 
> wrote:
> ... 
> > 
> > PS. Of course, I never thought [jarilo] 
> > or Airils to have any connection with 
> > eorl/jarl. I concede Russian [bojarin] 
> > "boyar" might be derivative from 
> > Scandinavian "bo jarl" meaning "manor 
> > (feudal) lord", though a commonly 
> > accepted etymology for [bojarin] is 
> > Turkic [bojlar] as a plural from [bojl] 
> > with not clear meaning.
> > 
> >  
> 
> 
> Indeed, the word 'boyar' is of turkic/tataric origin and has 
nothing 
> to do with jarl.
> 
> cheers
> Dirk 
> 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Vladimir
> > 



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