[gothic-l] Re: Streitberg vs. Wright

[llama_nom]

Hi Ted,

All extant forms are given in Koebler's dictionary (In spite of the 
German title "Gotisches Woerterbuch" all definitions are also given 
in English)--also in appendix all extant forms of Biblical names.  
You can check anything by searching the Gothic corpus at the Wulfila 
Project, or the Titus Project.  You can download the corpus from the 
Wulfila site.  The final URL is my links page:

http://www.koeblergerhard.de/publikat.html
http://www.wulfila.be/Corpus/Search.html
http://www.wulfila.be/gothic/download/
http://titus.uni-frankfurt.de/indexe.htm
http://www.oe.eclipse.co.uk/nom/linkspage.htm

You might also be interested in this essay on the declension of 
foreign names:

http://www.nthuleen.com/papers/755gothpaper.html

The Wulfila Project are in the process of updating to a more 
sophisticated Search program, which should be interesting.  If 
there's anything still baffling, you can always post a question here.

I'm not so familiar with Streitberg's glossary.  The main things 
lacking from Wright's are

1) Many words!
2) Masculine i-stems are not identified as such.  (Well, they are in 
my copy as I've scribbled in the margins...)
3) Incomplete information regarding what cases and/or prepositions 
are used with what verbs.

Also, the nom.sg. m. & f. ending of short i-stem adjectives is 
regularly amended by Wright to -s, whereas extant forms actually 
have -is (nawis, sutis).  Which would point to *(un)nutis, rather 
than *(un)nuts.

Llama Nom

PS. Here's a list of masculine i-stem nouns, and probable i-stems 
(on the basis of cognates), some of them hypotheticals.  Asterisks 
only included for totally hypothetical words.  Not necessarily 
complete.

#albs? (i-stem in OE, but elsewhere a-stem), arms, 
aurtigards, •bagks, •baks, balgs, barms, bruþfaths (d), baur, #Dans, 
drus, -faþs (d), frasts, gadrauhts, gards, gasts, *hlamms, hugs 
(=mind), hundafaþs (d), hunslastaþs (d), hups, juggalauþs (d), 
laists, marisaiws, mats, matibalgs, midjungards, motastaþs (d), 
muns, nahtamats, naus (nawis), qums, runs, saggws, saiws, *sals, 
sauþs (d), slahs, stafs (b), staks, staþs (d) (=place), 
striks, •stuggs, *swogs, synagogafaþs (d), #þiufaþs (d), 
þlauhs, •þruks, þusundifaþs (d), *þuts, undaurnimats, undaurns, 
urruns (=sunrise, drain), weinagards, #wins.

# reconstructions implied by personal names and words recorded in 
Latin during the era of the Goths.
• reconstructions implied by words borrowed into Romance, Slavic, 
etc.
* reconstructions implied by other parts of speech or compounds 
actually attested in the Gothic corpus.

NOTE:
staþs (þ) "(dry) land, shore" a-stem
urruns, f. i-stem "departure, decease, a running out"
There may be others with identical forms of different declension.





--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "AIFoundations.org" 
<AIFoundations at z...> wrote:
> 
> I have a question for the group. I am trying to determine the
> declension/conjugation information for all lemmas that exist in 
Gothic
> literature.
> 
> However, I have come across some apparent contradictions between
> Streitberg's grammar and Wright's grammar. Unfortunately I can 
barely
> read German so I tend to prefer Wright. Streitberg's glossary 
contains
> *complete* information to determine all noun declensions for 
example,
> while Wright often just simply lists a noun and it's gender. This 
is
> often not enough information to determine the declension and 
because
> of this I am now starting to prefer Streitberg. Unfortunately I do
> know if there is a general concensus on the strengths and 
weaknesses
> of each grammar.
> 
> I would welcome any recommendations concerning the use of one over 
the
> other.
> 
> --
> Ted Karas
> AIFoundations.org





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