[gothic-l] Re: Hansa

[faltin2001]

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, Tore Gannholm <tore at g...> wrote:
> 
> On Nov 19, 2004, at 1:50 PM, WILHELM OTTO wrote:
> 
> >
> >  Hi Dirk
> >  Dirk wrote:
> >  That is not quite correct I am afraid. As pointed out earlier, 
the
> >  word is used in the Gothic bible and it is also mentioned as
> >  components in German words like Hansagraf, which was a public 
office
> >  in the South Gemran town of Regensburg mentioned in the 12th 
century.
> >
> >  Thanks a lot. You are probably right and I am accepting your 
view. 
> > But,
> >  being a bit stubborn, are there not a few hundred unaccounted 
years?  
> > St.
> >  Hanse/Hans guilds in Denmark/Gothland/Visby
> 
> Please don't include Gotland, The word Hanse does not appear in the 
> middel Baltic until after 1356
> 
> Tore


Hi Tore,

I don't want to repeat an old discussion, but I think it is important 
to note that German merchants visited Gotland since 1161, when 
the 'Union of German merchants visiting Gotland' was founded. The 
German word for 'union' is Hanse/Hansa and this Union of merchants 
would certainly have been called Hansa by its members. Thus, 
documents in Bardowik, Lueneburg and further to the west Lemgo call 
the Union of German merchants in Gotland' 'chense/henze', i.e. Hanse 
already in the 13th century. The town of Lemgo sought representation 
by a chenzeman (Hansa man) in 1295 for its trade in Norrbys 
Gotland.   In 1191/92 the German merchants union set up a contor in 
Nowgorod and this early Hansa is usually called the merchants' Hansa, 
as opposed to the cities Hansa which was founded in 1356/58 and 
called 'stede van der dudeschen hense', i.e. 'towns of the German 
Hansa'.

http://www.dsm.de/Pubs/20_18.htm

The Luebeck merchants guilt financed the founding of many Baltic 
cities like Riga (1201) and Reval. It had set up its own contor in 
Nowgorod in 1191/92 and founded the Peterhof there in the first 
decades of the 13th century. When the merchants Hansa was transformed 
into a cities' Hansa in 1356/58 the assets of the merchants Hansa 
formed the basis for the new union (hansa) of cities. 

Again, I know Tore does not agree and he argues that the German word 
Hansa was used for German merchants in the Baltic sea only since 1358 
and was thus limited only for German merchants operating in the North 
Sea, London, Paris, Flanders etc.. 

Cheers
Dirk









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