[gothic-l] Re: Goths of North Africa (sorry)

[Francisc Czobor]

I apologize, I didn't notice that Llama Nom wrote almost the same 
thing a little bit earlier.

Francisc

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Francisc Czobor" <fericzobor at y...> 
wrote:
> Hi, Dirk and Llama Nom
> 
> In the Gothic-l message no. 1389 of December 18, 1999, Ryszard 
> Derdzinski ("Reikahardus") wrote:
> 
> "...we have only one or two attested Vandalic sentences coming from 
> North Africa.
> They should be known to all the East Germanic linguists. I met them 
> in J. Strzelczyk's "Wandalowie i ich afrykanskie panstwo" (in 
> Polish). The first sentence can be treated as Vandalic without 
doubt -
>  in Florentinus' poem we read: _Frója armés!_ translated in Latin 
> as 'Domine miserere' - it was called from the Arian altars in North 
> Africa.
> The second sentence is usualy treated as Gothic text (and should 
find
> interest in the list), but can be Vandalic as well. It comes from a 
> North African poem entitled "De conviviis barbaris". We read there: 
> _Inter eils goticum skapjamatzjajadrincan_ / Non audet quisquam 
> dignos edicere versus_. The Gothic (or Vandalic) sentence is here: 
> _Eils! Scapjam matzja(n) ja drincan_.
> In pure Gothic it could be: _Heils! Scapjam matjan jah drigkan_..."
> 
> In fact, in classical (Wulfilan) Gothic these sentences would be:
> 'Frauja armeis'
> and respectively:
> 'Hails! Skapjam matjan jah drigkan'
> These sentences could be Gothic, not Vandalic (even the first one 
> could be a Gothic formula used by the Arian Vandalic priests, 
taking 
> into consideration that for the Germanic Arians, Gothic played the 
> same role as Latin for Catholics or Arabic for Moslems). If they 
are 
> Vandalic, than we have to consider that Vandalic was very close to 
> Gothic (or that it was just a Gothic dialect). They differ from 
> classical Gothic in the following respects:
> assimilation of diphtongs: ai > ei, au > o
> the opening  ei > e
> the palatalization tj > tzj
> But these tendencies of evolution are observed also in post-
Wulfilan 
> Gothic, so they can not be considered as characteristic for 
Vandalic.
> 
> Francisc
> 
> 
> ...



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