[gothic-l] Neologisms Dictionary

Fri Jan 14 18:32:46 UTC 2005

Excellent stuff, Fredrik!

I just looked at the dictionary.  When I have time I'll extract the 
approximately 20 neologisms from my English-Gothic dictionary for 
you.  If this is okay with Francisc, it would be good to include his 
creations and make a really big combined effort.  I'll have a hunt 
for possible corrections when I get more chance.  One that occurs: 
nati-staþs > natja-staþs.  For "cook" or "boil" you could use 
*siudan, which is the origin of the Gothic word sauþs "sacrifice" 
(=ON sauðr "sheep", and sjo'ða "cook, boil").  According to Guta 
saga, the people who share in the sacrificial feast were called 
suþnautar "brethren of the boiling" or "comrades of the cooking".

The instransitive of "boil" is wulan, only attested once I think and 
with the metaphorical sense of boiling with excitement or zeal.

Wairawulfs raihtis þateinei wairawulfs nahts ist, iþ dagis bi all 
ist mannisks.

Llama Nom

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Fredrik" <gadrauhts at h...> wrote:
> 
> Llama Nom
> 
> I totaly agree with anuþs instead of anuds. And with d in plural 
and 
> some cases in singular. The similarity with 'anus' that some 
> mentioned ain't that shocking. If I remember right that word 
> means 'ring', and what is shocking about that, (except the obvious 
> reason)?
> 
> I read the post 1223 and found that very interesting. A lot of 
those 
> words are similar to neologisms I "made" myself.
> Such words as potato and strawberry are the same as I thought of.
> I don't think I've seen any word for nut anywhere som guess it 
would 
> be like hnutus or something like that, (don't know which gender). 
To 
> continue the same way of making the words of potato and stawberry 
> with the word aírþa- as first part, I'd like to add the word 
> aírþahnutus as peanut. (swedish: jordnöt = peanut).
> 
> About the word for president 1223 had faursitands, and i thought 
of 
> faurasitands. Is faur better than faura in this case?
> 
> I have a list of neologisms (and some, maybe 5 non neologisms) if 
> some one is interested. I guess some are not that well done, cos I 
> made em when I wasn't that good at this. But I hope you can tell 
me 
> corrections.
> It's on a website that is:
> http://www.geocities.com/gutiska/lex/neologism.html
> 
> 
> 
> /Fredrik
> 
> 
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell at o...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Oscar,
> > 
> > Ni ibnaleik ak galeik! ("Not equal, but similar", to paraphrase 
the 
> > Skeireins...)  Ahaks "pigeon".  Anaks "suddenly".  But alright 
for 
> > alliteration, oh dear:
> > 
> > Nu skulum namnjan
> > namna fugle,
> > anuþ jah ahak,
> > all þatei fliugiþ,
> > hrabn hrukjandan,
> > hraiwadubon,
> > aran swaswe agatja,
> > airþabundanana hanan.
> > Gauros gansuns
> > goljand sik uhtwon.
> > Falka sa frija
> > ufar fulþon galaiþ,
> > unafswaggwiþs
> > sweþauh waijiþ.
> > Sparwan, sparwari
> > bi spedistin qiþa.
> > 
> > 
> > Fredrik,
> > 
> > Looks good to me.  I'd wondered about this word ages ago, before 
I 
> > had access to all these great dictionaries on the internet.  I 
> can't 
> > remember what conclusion I reached, if any, but I didn't know 
about 
> > the Lithuanian cognate then--which I think is what suggests an i-
> > stem.  Makes a nice addition to our Gothic vocabulary!
> > 
> > The normal practice is to change -d to -þ at the end of a word 
or 
> > before -s, but sometimes the -d was written as such.  E.g. gods 
& 
> > goþs both occur, and by chance the former is actually more 
common.  
> > Apparently such spellings are most often found in certain 
specific 
> > sections of the Bible, e.g. Luke's gospel.
> > 
> > Oh and on the subject of reconstructing vocabulary, you might be 
> > interested in Post 1223, a very early message from Francisc 
which I 
> > came across recently.  Especially the ingenious lists of 
chemical 
> > and geographical terms.
> > 
> > The Cleasby & Vigfusson Icelandic-English Dictionary has some 
> > interesting comments on Gothic, including at least one probable 
> loan-
> > word into Old Spanish, not listed in Koebler: *brano "heifer" 
> (young 
> > female cow) = OIc. brana.
> > 
> > 
> > And finally, Francisc,
> > 
> > Good work on the Crossword!  I've added your guesses.  I hope it 
> > isn't making anyone too cross yet...
> > 
> > 
> > Llama Nom
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, OSCAR HERRERA <duke.co at s...> 
wrote:
> > > waila,so waurd anaks(pigeons) samaleika ist...
> > >  
> > >  
> > >
> > > 
> > > Fredrik <gadrauhts at h...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi all!
> > > 
> > > I don't do much so i think about words in gothic which i 
cannot 
> > find 
> > > in any dicctionary. Now it's the gothic word for duck. I have 
> > > searched for it in all dicctionaries I know about on internet 
but 
> > > without finding any so i took the freedom to recreate it 
instead.
> > > I wonder if you think this is ok or if not.
> > > 
> > > The word in swedish is 'and' (or in another form 'anka') and 
the 
> > > german is 'ente'. Acording to some books and dicctionaries 
(like 
> > > runeberg.org) this comes from *anuðiz.
> > > I guess this would have been 'anuds' in gothic, and an i-stem.
> > > The icelandic önd and the german ente is both feminine so 
> > therefore 
> > > I guess the gothic word also is feminine.
> > > 
> > > Comments please!
> > > 
> > > /Fredrik
> > > 
> > > 
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