[gothic-l] Re: Gothic Runes

[rhoomegaphi]

Thanks. Those are good sources. 

Personally I like the querky forms of the Jer, Quairthra, Pairthra, 
Ezec, and Sauil. That's my two cents worth.

Thanks.

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell at o...> wrote:
> 
> I have to concur with Francisc.  Only a handful of Gothic 
> inscriptions survive: while there may be some quirky forms, for 
> example the box-shaped D-rune on the Kovel spearhead, nevertheless 
> Gothic runes are essentially the Eldar Futhark, and don't really 
> differ from the standard runerow any more than other individial 
> early inscriptions do from each other.  The "Gothic Runes" at this 
> Omniglot page
> 
> http://www.omniglot.com/writing/runic.htm
> 
> contain doubtful forms that I don't recognise from any of the 
> inscriptions.  You are right to be suspicious.  The terms you 
> mention "Fraujo's ahtu" etc. are not recorded in any ancient 
> historical source relating to the Goths, nor does the form *ahtu 
> work as a cognate of Old Icelandic 'ætt'.  They're presumably a 
> modern invention.  On the Omniglot page about the Gothic alphabet, 
> <e> and <o> only stand for long sounds; *aihvus should read *aihvs 
> or *aihws--depending which spelling convention you adopt; and the 
> Lord's prayer is slightly garbled by internet-transmission...  But 
> still, hats off to Omniglot for bringing together all these amazing 
> writing systems.  Have you seen this one: 
> http://www.omniglot.com/writing/nushu.htm ?  Anyway, here is a 
> useful table comparing several futharks and lists of rune-names.
> 
> http://titus.fkidg1.uni-frankfurt.de/didact/idg/germ/runennam.htm
> 
> The column on the far right lists the names of the Gothic letters 
> recorded in a 10th(?) century manuscript.  These are the source for 
> the reconstructed names at the Omniglot page.  They were apparently 
> written according to Old High German spelling conventions, so the 
> <z> should probably be sounded [s].  Quite a lot do match the 
> corresponding names in English and Norse tradition, as you can see, 
> though some have been changed, e.g. thyth (='þiuþ'(?) "blessing").  
> Curious that the Gothic differs here, and with 'chozma', at a point 
> where English and Norse differ from each other.  You may have heard 
> the hypothesis that OE 'þorn' replaced the demonic (Norse) 'þurs' 
> for euphemistic reasons.  It has been questioned whether these are 
> in fact Gothic (RI Page, An Introduction to English Runes), but I 
> can't see what else they can be.  It's easy to match some to the 
> Biblical Gothic equivalent, but others like AZA have inspired 
> various guesses.
> 
> Here are photographs of three Gothic runic inscriptions:
> 
> http://www.gotica.de/
> 
> The runes on the top spearhead (Dahmsdorf) are not very clear in 
> this picture, but read RANJA, which has been interpreted as a name 
> (for the spear) *Rannja "the one who puts to flight".  The next 
> reads right-to-left TILARIDS, a name (of the owner?, maker?, the 
> spear?), perhaps "Good/appropriate Councel"--but some interpret 
TILA-
>  according to its modern German cognate Ziel "goal, target", and 
> RIDS as "rider", and the whole as "target-pursuer", "attacker".  
The 
> final picture here is probably the most famous Gothic inscription 
of 
> all, the golden neck-ring from Pietrioassa, Romania--GUTANI ? WI 
> HAILAG--interpreted: Gutane ? weih hailag "the Goths' ?, sacred 
> [and] holy."  The single uncertain rune is thought to be a concept 
> rune, representing its own name, but was damaged when looters sawed 
> it in half.  The grammar requires a neuter noun in the singlar.  
> Often taken to be O = 'oþal' "inheritance".
> 
> These and others are discussed in an online book "Runes around the 
> North Sea and on the Continent AD 150-700; texts & contexts", by 
> Jantina Helena Looijenga.  She interprets the damaged Pietrioassa 
> rune as 'jer' "year" (i.e. [good] harvest, a fruitful year).  See 
> especially Chapter 5 for early south-east European inscriptions, 
> including the Letcani spindlewhorl also pictured in Peter 
> Heather's "The Goths".  This is another Romanian find, and most 
> likely Gothic too.
> 
> http://www.ub.rug.nl/eldoc/dis/arts/j.h.looijenga/
> 
> Chapter 7, no. 11 is the Charnay brooch (fibula) inscription, 
> thought to be Burgundian--an East Germanic language similar to 
> Gothic.  Along with the Kylver runes mentioned by Tore, this is one 
> of the earliest (near) complete futharks.
> 
> Some pictures (early inscriptions from southern and eastern Europe: 
> Charnay, Kowel, Pietroassa, Breza, Bezenye--the others here are 
> later, from Viking times).  Looijenga has suggested Lombardic 
> authorship in the case of the Breza futhark.
> 
> http://www.arild-hauge.com/europe-rune.htm
> 
> A discussion of many early inscriptions including some mentioned 
> above:
> 
> http://www.nordic-life.org/nmh/runic.htm
> 
> A German database of inscriptions in the Eldar Futhark, including 
> those attributed to the Goths.
> 
> http://www.runenprojekt.uni-kiel.de/
> 
> Hope there's something of interest in that lot.
> 
> Llama Nom






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