Name of the Goths

[dciurchea]

Hi,
May I comment that in the middle ages the name of the Getic people 
(Dacian, Wallackian, Romanian)was transformed into "gothic":
IORDANIS - DE ORIGINE ACTIBUSQUE GETARUM  transformed 
into "Jordannes-Origins and deeds of the goths". 
Caludian - "De bello Getico" transformed into 'de bello gotico'.
The substitution became customary in Gibbon's History of Rome.It 
appears to have served the austrian-hungarian imperial political 
interests. 

The confusion may be traced in the (eastern) antiquity:
"Here we shall note only that, according to Julius Capitolinus, the 
father of Maximinus was a Goth. Maximinus never learned to speak 
Greek and, in his youth, hardly knew any Latin but spoke to the 
emperor (Alexander Severus) in "almost pure Thracian" "
(http://forum.skycode.com/topic.asp?whichpage=11&topic_id=49183)
-Observe there that "goths" spoke thracian- i.e. they were actually 
GETS.

Moreover one may found unreliable assignments of gothic(germanic) 
presence in Transylvania at the site of the famous "Erdely 
Tortenete"(History of Transylvania) . A most famous and useful link:
http://mek.oszk.hu/02100/02109/html/17.html
There you may find that in 168 AD the east german tribe 
of "Victovaloke" settled in the neigborhood of Vlaha(Wlacha)! (the 
obvious reading Victo Valoke - The Romans vainquished the Wallachians
(Walaks/Waloks) during the 168 riot of the free dacians was routed 
towards a fantasy).

Other assignements may be found at:
http://mek.niif.hu/03400/03407/html/26.html
You may find other interesting (unreliable in my opinion)
interpretations there. They have an english (incomplete)translation 
at: http://mek.niif.hu/03400/03407/html/1.html

A discussion of linguistic errors (mainly in the Romania area) may 
be found at: http://www.gandirea.ro/linguistic_history_errors.php

sincerely,
D. Ciurchea

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "faltin2001" <d.faltin at ...> wrote:
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> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Ingemar Nordgren" <ingemar@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Hi Dirk,
> > 
> > Could you demonstrate a big flowing stream that explains the 
island
> > name of Gutland/Gotland or Eastern Gautland?
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Ingemar,
> 
> there is also no 'big flowing stream' at Gutinge (Göttingen) or 
villa 
> Gotaha (Gotha). Apparently, all that is neede is 'a flowing 
water'. 
> In fact, the modern German word Gosse refers to a small stream of 
> water, but I think that Old Saxon Guta and Eastfalian Göte refers 
> only to flowing water. 
> 
> My question to you is what evidence is there that the root of the 
> name Goths, i.e. *geutan has to refer to the flowing of semen, 
rather 
> than the flowing of water?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dirk
> 
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> > 
> > Best
> > Ingemar
> > 
> > 
> > > > > Thus, the place name Gutinge (Göttingen) refers to ' the 
> place of
> > > > the people at the stream of water'. In fact, some sources 
even 
> refer
> > > > to a Saxon 'sub-tribe' as the Gudinge from the same area. 
The 
> name 
> > > of
> > > > the Goths has clearly the same linguistic roots and it may 
have 
> had 
> > > > the same development, only that usually the more 
sophisticated 
> > > > interpretation of 'giessen', i.e. to pour or flow is 
employed 
> to 
> > > > arrive at  the meaning of 'the once who were created by the 
> flow of 
> > > > semen from a god'.
> >
>









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