Name of the Goths

[Francisc Czobor]

This event of 7500 years ago was put in connection by some scientists 
with the Biblical Deluge... But I agree that 7500 years is a much too 
long time for an ethnic name to persist. At that time there were no 
Goths yet, no Germanic people yet, even the Proto-Indo-European was 
seemingly not yet established (if I remember correctly, the oldest 
archeological remains of the Kurgan culture, that can be put 
hypothetically in connection with the Proto-Indo-Europeans, are not 
older than 6000 years; and the dispersion of the Indo-Europeans, 
leading to the establishment of the several groups, including 
Germanic, began somewhere about 5000-4500 years ago).

Francisc


--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, Carl Edlund Anderson <cea at ...> wrote:
>
> On 01/08/2006 00:06, John Larsson wrote:
> > Let me instead introduce you, honourable readers, to a new (at 
least, I
> > think so!) possible meaning of the origin of the Goths. There 
might still be
> > doubt about details, but it seems like the Black Sea area once 
was flooded
> > with an enormous "flowing stream", when the Bosphorous Strait was
> > established. This should have happend ca 7500 years ago [....]
>  > people, probably of many ethnic origins, fled the Black Sea area 
and
> > by the peoples, which noticed (and suffered from!) their 
migration they were
> > called "those who flee the Great Water Fall". Voila!
> 
> 7500 years seems a _very_ long time for a tribal name of this sort 
to 
> persist essentially unchanged, especially given the frequency with 
which 
> we see tribal groups and confederations changing and altering in 
the 
> historical period.  Not that this is impossible -- just that I find 
it 
> somewhat unlikely on the face of things.  I have relatively little 
> difficulty imagining that the Goths (or some Goths, at least) had a 
> tribal name that described them living near some body of flowing 
water, 
> but I have an easier time imagining the name being coined not more 
than 
> a few centuries of its first recording, and with an eye towards a 
more 
> relatively ordinary river or stream than a catatrophic Black Sea 
flood 
> (and there remains some, at least, scientific controversy over how 
> catastrophic interactions between the Black Sea and Mediterranean 
may 
> have been at different times).
> 
> Cheers,
> Carl
> 
> -- 
> Carl Edlund Anderson
> mailto:cea at ...
> http://www.carlaz.com/
>







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