Gepanta - *gabideis ?? and *gutiska vs.*gutisko

[akoddsson]

Hails Thiudans.

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "thiudans" <thiudans at y...> wrote:
>
> More on Gepanta - Gepid:
> 
> Cleasby/Vigfusson have an entry:
> 
> "GAUFA, að, (and gauf, n., gaufari, a, in.), to saunter, be 
sluggish, freq. akin to gafi, cp. Goth, gepanta in a reference by 
Jornandes -- iiam lingua eoruin 'pigra' gepanta dicitur, whence ' 
Gcpidi, ' the name of an ancient Teut. people."
> 
> Gaufa in OIc. should have shown Go. *gaupan - gaupanda. Or? The 
greek word for Gepids (Gepaides) shows a long e (eta) on the first 
syllable and an acute tone or accent on the penult.

> Any other explanations for the Gepids' name?

Later scholar (Jon Helgason, for example) reconstruct the norse form 
as *gefdar or *gefdir (if an i-stem), citing OE, etc.. Now, on the 
surface at least, this seems more realistic to me. The name seems 
probable, at least to me, as from what we know about germanic folk 
in general from these times, they placed high value on generosity 
and nobility, praising high ranking folk for being generous and mild 
with food, gifts (weapons, jewelry, etc.). Whether right or wrong, 
*gefdar or *gefdir would seem a culturally appropriate name. 

One issue which puzzles me is the reconstruction of the goths' name 
for their own tongue, *gutiska. On the face of it, this adjectival 
form would seem inappropriate when compared with other germanic 
tongues, where a fem. on-stem is prefered (nominal). Would not the 
form *gutisko (oblique -on) make more sense? 

Regards,
Konrad

> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, jdm314 at a... wrote:
> >
> > jdm31- at aol.com wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/gothic-l/?start=785
> > >
> > > Gepanta (gepantus?) is obviously later Latin.
> > > Cannot find it in my Latin-Swedish dictionary.
> > > Am contacting an expert in the field to see
> > > what he comes up with.
> > 
> > 	It occurs in the Getica, which is supposed to have been 
> published in551 AD, so yes, it is late. Furthermore, it isn't 
Latin, it's a supposedly Gothic word quoted in a Latin text. 
Therefore it is not surprising if you cannot find it.
> > 
> > -Ïusteinus
> >
>






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