Boz = Bus < *Baus?

[ualarauans]

Hi, Tore

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, Tore Gannholm <tore@> wrote:
> 
> in the foreword to the Guta lagh written down about 1220 it 
says. "So
> bygthus thair that firir. oc enn byggia oc enn hafa thair sumt af
> waru mali"
> 

I heard of that source and I always wondered what exactly it was 
referring to: the Old Swedish language of the Vaeringjar as 
documented in "Rhossic names" of the Dnieper falls by Constantine 
VII Porphyrogenitus or still the Crimean Gothic? As we may learn 
from the later record by Busbeqc, the Crimean Gothic was much 
different from the Scandinavian type of the 12th ct. shared by the 
Old Gutnish. The medieval Gotlanders traveling far could meet 
survivors of their kin in Southern lands (the Crimea, Balkans etc), 
but could they communicate with them using Old Gutnish or at least 
perceive (without a linguistic training) that the vernacular of 
these "who call themselves gutniskir menn too" was cognate to their 
own? Maybe there was a kind of oral tradition in East Scandinavia 
that parts of the people under bold leaders periodically settled out 
moving south across the sea in search of new lands – there were the 
Goths of Berig first (first?), then the Rus' of Rurik – some 
perishing underway, but some succeeding to survive and find their 
place... Within that view the name "Goths" could perhaps be applied 
to the migrants from Roslagen, and maybe Hroerekr had some 
Gotlanders among his rothsmenn??? The Guta lagh unequivocally points 
to an emigration, but maybe it's a confusion of two things – the 
settling out of the Goths (so fierri foru thair at thair quamu til 
griclanz...) and preserving of a language akin to Gutnish by the 
Vaeringjar of Hroerekr or by those at service in Constantinople 
(...oc enn byggia oc enn hafa thair sumt af waru mali)?

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell at ...> wrote:
[#8621. Date: Sun Jan 8, 2006 9:17am. Subject: Re: sumt af waru mali 
(correction 2, OGutn. bort = OIc. burt, brott)]
> 
> Siþan af þissum þrim aucaþis fulc j gutlandi som mikit um langan 
tima
> at land elptj þaim ai alla fyþa. Þa lutaþu þair bort af landi huert
> þriþia þiauþ so at alt sculdu þair aiga oc miþ sir bort hafa som 
þair
> vfan iorþar attu... so fierri foru þair at þair quamu til 
griclanz...
> oc enn byggia oc enn hafa þair sumt af waru mali.
> 
> * Framuh þan þaim þrim þiuda in Gutlanda lagga hveila aiauk swa 
filu,
> ei ni mahta land ins allans fodjan. Hlautam þan fairra landa
> gawalidedun hvanoh þridjan mannan, swaei allata aihan skuldun jah 
at
> sis gahaban jah in wig niman, þatei ufar airþai aihtun... swa 
fairra
> galiþun, ei at Krekalanda qemun... jah nauh bauand jah nauh hva 
haband
> razdos unsaraizos.
> 
> * Síðan af þessum þrim aukuðusk fólk í Gotlandi svá mikit um langan
> tíma at land efldi þeim eigi alla fœða. Þá hlutuðu þeir burt af 
landi
> hvern þriðja mann svá at allt skuldu þeir eiga ok með sér burt 
hafa,
> sem þeir ofan jarðar áttu... svá fjarri fóru þeir at þeir kómu til
> Grikklands... ok enn byggja ok enn hafa þeir sumt af váru máli.
> 

Incidentally, where can I find the full text (Gutnish)?

Ualarauans

P.S. Btw is there any option to download all the archive messages 
without copying each page and turning it every time (I'm still not 
that far back)? I feel there must have been already answers sent to 
a lot of questions I'd like to ask.





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