Pietroasa (etymology +)

[ualarauans]

Hailai jut Fragkisk jah Andraiu!!

Could it happen that we face here another example of what I heard is 
called "automatic conversion" (Uriel Weinreich's term), similar to 
what is supposed to be the case with the name of the city of 
Nouiodunum (prob., = today's Isakca, the right bank of the Danube), 
mentioned by Jordanes in Get. 35 as [a ciuitate] nouietunense. 
Nouiodunum, being a very widespread name, Celtic in origin (Gaulish 
*Novio-du:non "new town" > French Nevers (dep. Nievre), Nouan-le-
Fuzelier (dep. Loir-et-Cher), and there were many more), so this 
another Celtic *Novio-dunon could be recognized by the Goths as 
consisting of the words which were Gothic niuja- "new" and *tu:n N. -
a "fence" or "fenced place", the latter being a Celtic loanword into 
Common Germanic (*du:non > *tu:nan with a consonant shift d > t). 
The original form in (pre-?)Jordanes could be *ciuitas neuiotunense 
(cf. Neuiodunum in Upper Pannonia), later "hypercorrected", which 
could have sprung from probable Gothic *Niujatun (< Ne/ouiodunum) as 
the actual name of the city in the Gothic language (kept in a 
legend, maybe).

Now, the Goths of Athanareiks come to Transdanuvia (soon to become 
Gutthiuda of the Calender) and meet Cauco(c)ensii. This Dacian (?) 
name might contain the same IE root *kouko- "high", "mountain" as 
does Go. hauhs (has the ethnonym's etymology been clarified by 
specialists in some way?). It could mean "mountaineers" maybe. And 
the Goths feel it (or are said about it) and call them *Hauha-
warjos "those living in high places", for example, and the country 
they call Hauhaland, the names being both phonetic and semantic 
imitations of the native name. Maybe there had been a stage of Go. 
*Kaukaland? What do you think?

Ualarauans

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Francisc Czobor" <fericzobor at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Caucaland was not in the plain at Pietroasa, but in the Montes 
> Serorum: there took place the battle with the Huns. At Pietroasa 
> probably the Visigoths hid their treasure before hastily 
retreating 
> to Caucaland.
> 
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, Andrei Stirbu <andrei_stirbu@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > The placement of Caucocensii on contemporary historical maps is 
> aproximative. I see no reason for Goths to name the region 
highland 
> as long the region of Pietroasa is at the limit of the plain and 
> small hills, rather in the plain: 
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> > http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=p.a6e.jpg
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> > http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?
img=Buzau_map.700.jpg
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> > 
> > So, in my opinion, is very plausible that Goths used the Dacian 
> name of the Cauca  region.
> > 
> > 
> > Andrei
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