Visigothic identity of Spain

[ualarauans]

Hails, Rydwlf

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, Rydwlf <mitsuhippon at ...> wrote:
>
>    There are some translations and definitions, anyway, about 
the "godo" word in
> modern Spanish. According (again) to the DRAE:
> 
>    godo, goda.
>    (From Lat. Gothus).
>    1. adj. A person of an ancient Germanic people, founder of 
kingdoms in Spain
> and Italy. Can also be used as a noun.
>    2. adj. A wealthy and powerful person, originary from the 
iberian families
> that, confused with the invading goths, formed part of the 
nobility at the time
> when the Spanish nation was formed. Can also be used as a noun.
>    3. adj. (Used in the Canary Islands, despective). A Spanish 
from continental
> Spain. Can also be used as a noun.
>    4. adj. (Used in Bolivia and Chile, despective). Spanish 
(Spaniard, born in
> Spain). Can be also used as a noun. Used with the same meaning in 
other places
> of America.
>    5. adj. (Used in Venezuela). Pertaining to the conservative 
party in the XIX
> century, and also, of conservative ideas. Also used as a noun when 
referring to
> people.
>    6. adj. (germanic). Gothic (noble, distinguished).

A very instructive account. Thanks! The points 3 and 4 – don't they 
suggest a chance that the name of the Goths, like one of the Franks, 
could have persisted and spread over the whole country? In which 
case we'd probably have "Gothia" over the Pyrenees now.

>    Expression: "hacerse de los godos". 1. to make ostentation of 
oneself's
nobility arms.
>    (translation: "make oneself of the Goths".).
>    Expression: "ser godo". 1. To be of old nobility.
>    (translation: "to be Goth".).

Yes, I knew exactly these two, and I thought there are some more. 
Are they used in current Spanish as mere phraseologisms, 
irrespectively of the Goths in a narrower sense? I mean, could you 
say, for example, of an English lord or even of an Indian maharaja 
that he "es Godo" or "se hace de los Godos"?

>    gótico, gótica.
>    (From Lat. gothicus).
>    1. adj. Pertaining or related to the Goths.
>    2. adj. Concerning the artistic forms developed in Europe from 
the XII century
> to the Renaissance. Can be also used as a noun.
>    3. adj. Written or printed in gothic letter.
>    4. adj. Pertaining or related to gothic novelty.
>    5. adj. Noble, distinguished.
>    6. adj. (colloquial). Cutesy, prissy (when referring to a 
person).
>   7. m. Germanic language spoken by the Goths.


> "It is not people who break ethical standards who are regarded as 
aliens. It is
> people like me who are isolated." - Grigori Perelman.

A Gothic version:

"Ni rahnjand miþ framaþjaim þans riurjandans sidu godana, ak þans 
izei swe ik gaainanaidai sind." – Gregaurius Pairilmanna

Ualarauans


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