[gothic-l] Reconstructing the Gothic Bible and Liturgies

Wed Dec 24 10:10:14 UTC 2014

Roel,I beg your pardon for explaining things you already knew as if you didn't. It is very annoying when that happens.
/Basti 

     On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 12:55 AM, "Dicentis a roellingua at gmail.com [gothic-l]" <gothic-l at yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     Hello Basti,
I 'm not against religion and I completely respect it if people belief, and although religions have brought forth beautiful things, I will point out my problem with religions in general, not only christianity:
When I see that I prefer Arianism from Protestantism and Catholicism, you expect me of having no knowledge of these at all. In fact, I already knew exactly what you said here and I agree completely with you that protestantism is more logical than catholicism, but as Arianism is no protestantism or catholicism, you can't put it in one of those categories. You need to understand that I studied a lot of christianity, 7th Days Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Catholics, Protestants, Methodists, etc. and all those groups differ in their methods and interpretations. For example, the Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in hell, because a certain Hebrew word can be translated as "garbage dump", yet according to other movements this is nonsense and enough places in the Bible show that a hell would exist. Mormon's believe in an additional number of books, the Book of Mormon, which according to them states that America is a holy land and that certain holy figures from God appeared there.
Protestantism is basically a form of Judaism, practiced by mostly non-jews, Catholicism is a synthesis of 
That I said that this Gothic translation makes me read the Bible, doesn't need that I have never read it, in fact, I can read parts of Genesis (Bereshit) in Hebrew and I have read quite a lot parts of the Bible and know well what it generally says, and one of the problems with the Bible is the same problem with the Quran, that it claims that it is the only way, while other religions obviously show that they have the same way. Protestantism, or better said, the interpretation of 7th Days Adventists, is based on a continous trap:
1. Sins are not from God2. If you steal or do something wrong, it's a Sin3. Sins can only be forgiven by converting to Jesus Christ4. Now that you are converted, your Sins can be forgiven by Jesus Christ, God5. If you steal and you ask for forgiveness, your Sin will be forgiven now
Do you know what step 6 can be? A person can say:
6. Hey, let's steal etc., I get forgiven anyway.
Now you see the big trap which you get in?

Roel
2014-12-24 0:28 GMT+01:00 Weidemyr Basti setiez at yahoo.com [gothic-l] <gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>:

     "In my opinion, Arianism is much more logical than both Catholicism and Protestantism, so I don't get why you shouldn't visit Arian church services."
A Christian, usually, has invested a lot of time and effort into living a life that should, according to the teaching of his denomination, be acceptable to God. He will consequently study a new denomination carefully to be sure they do not engage in anything unacceptable, before even appearing outside their facilities.
Catholicism and protestantism are each other's antitheses.Catholicism means God provides leadership through the humans that lead the church and members should accept their organizational provisions and their teaching as coming from God, so never question it.Protestantism is the thesis that the above mentioned is naïve racket. That God provides leadership through mainly the bible but perhaps through inspiration of individuals and that the individuals have to make sure they aren't scammed.
The antithesis of Arianism is Trinitarianism.
While starting a new Christian denomination (or "church") (in an existing building) is an excellent idea since most of them that are established have passed their best-before-date, it would be hard to do so for someone who is a beginner with regard to Christianity. Respect for trying! :)
As we ponder the sad state of present day organized religion we may wish to seek renewed inspiration from the first century and lo! There is a facility in this mailing list for uploading files, and in this virtual geniza was discovered two more chapters of Genesis and most of the missing parts of Paul's letter to the Romans, translated in 2007.
/Basti 

     On Tuesday, December 23, 2014 11:15 PM, "Dicentis a roellingua at gmail.com [gothic-l]" <gothic-l at yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     *But expressed ideas of a God.
2014-12-23 23:15 GMT+01:00 Dicentis a <roellingua at gmail.com>:

What is wrong with going to an Arian Christian mass? Do you have religious objections to going to a mass where it is claimed that Jesus Christ was human, but expressed ideas of a Gothic? In my opinion, Arianism is much more logical than both Catholicism and Protestantism, so I don't get why you shouldn't visit Arian church services. Our only problem is the documented data about Arian church services.
2014-12-23 23:11 GMT+01:00 write2andy at yahoo.com [gothic-l] <gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>:

     Well, of course it's not Arian, but neither am I, and I'd probably not go to an Arian mass, nor would most present-day Spaniards. Still, someone could do a Gothic Arian mass, but I'm already translating the Mozarabic one.   

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