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<p>Hails Ualarauans,<br>
<br>
Thank you for your comments! Specially the note about the probable Burgundian origin of the name Gundemarus I am really sorry that I can't find more comprehensive sources... I'm always very concerned about the sources' issue, but in this case I just preferred to present the info I had. Anyway, the Dictionary entry by the R.A.E. is trust worthy. I've been reading more about the origin of the "Guzmán" name and it seems that the origin is o.o.o. (of obscure origin); the main hypothesis seems to be the one I mentioned: Gothic origin, but with any further detail disputed.<br>
<br>
If you are interested in the names of the Visigothic kings in Spain (here we refer to them as simply "the Gothic Kings", "los Reyes Godos"), here you have the list (from <a href="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_los_reyes_godos">http://es.wikipedia<wbr>.org/wiki/<wbr>Lista_de_<wbr>los_reyes_<wbr>godos</a>) with the Spanish names:<br>
<br>
Reyes Visigodos (Visigothic Kings)<br>
<br>
Fritigerno - 369-380 <br>
Atanarico - ¿?-381 <br>
Alarico I - 395-410 <br>
<br>
Reino arriano de Tolosa (Arian kingdom of Toulouse)<br>
Ataúlfo - 410-415 <br>
Sigérico - 415 <br>
Walia - 415-418 <br>
Teodorico I - 418-451 <br>
Turismundo - 451-453 <br>
Teodorico II - 453-466 <br>
Eurico - 466-484 <br>
Alarico II - 484-507 <br>
<br>
Reino arriano de Toledo (Arian kingdom of Toledo)<br>
Gesaleico - 507-511 <br>
Amalarico - 511-531, (reigned under regency of Teodorico the Great, during 15 years, 511-526.)<br>
Teudis - 531-548 <br>
Teudiselo - 548-549 <br>
Agila I - 549-551 <br>
Atanagildo - 551-567 <br>
Liuva I - 567-572 <br>
Leovigildo - 572-586 <br>
<br>
Reino católico de Toledo (Catholic kingdom of Toledo)<br>
Recaredo - 586-601 <br>
Liuva II - 601-603 <br>
Witerico - 603-610 <br>
Gundemaro - 610-612 <br>
Sisebuto - 612-621 <br>
Recaredo II - 621 <br>
Suintila - 621-631 <br>
Sisenando - 631-636 <br>
Chintila - 636-639 <br>
Tulga - 639-642 <br>
Chindasvinto - 642-653 <br>
Recesvinto - 653-672 <br>
Wamba - 672-680 <br>
Ervigio - 680-687 <br>
Égica - 687-700 <br>
Witiza - 700-710 <br>
Rodrigo - 710-711 <br>
<br>
End of the Kingdom<br>
<br>
Agila II - 710-714, reigned in Tarraconensis and Septimania. <br>
Ardón - 714-720, reigned in Septimania. <br>
<br>
"Doubtful" Kings<br>
Iudila - 631-632, reigned over some southern parts of the kingdom.-<br>
Paulo - 673, reigned Septimania and some parts of Tarraconensis.<br>
Suniefredo - 692-693 <br>
<br>
I'll try to get the version of the names in Old Spanish or Latin, which may be helpful for tracing an evolution of the names. In <a href="http://sirio.ua.es/libros/BEducacion/corona_gotica/index.htm">http://sirio.<wbr>ua.es/libros/<wbr>BEducacion/<wbr>corona_gotica/<wbr>index.htm</a> there is a fac simil of a history about the Gothic Kings in 1887 (the names are very similar to the ones used presently).<br>
<br>
About the words used in Spanish nowadays and of Gothic origin, there are quite a lot. The issue is well documented, and I can give you a list of the most common ones. If you don't mind, I will do that in a separate mail.<br>
<br>
Best regards!<br>
Rydwlf<br>
<br>
ualarauans <<a href="mailto:ualarauans%40yahoo.com">ualarauans@yahoo.<wbr>com</a>> wrote:<br>
Hails, Rydwlf!<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, Rydwlf wrote:<br>
><br>
> About "Guzmán" as a word, there is some interesting facts. In <br>
fact, it does<br>
> exist in modern Spanish, as "guzmán", although it's not very used <br>
and may be<br>
> regarded as an archaism. I can tell you that I didn't think it <br>
existed as a<br>
> modern-use word, but I looked for it in the dictionary (just in <br>
case) and it<br>
> turned out that it existed.<br>
> <br>
> In the Dictionary from the Real Academia de la Lengua<br>
> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Academia_Espa%C3%B1ola">http://en.wikipedia<wbr>.org/wiki/<wbr>Real_Academia_<wbr>Espa%C3%B1ola</a>), that <br>
is the<br>
> organization responsible of regulating the Spanish language, and <br>
compiling<br>
> updated dictionaries, the word "guzmán" appears as follows:<br>
> <br>
> guzmán (De Alonso Pérez de Guzmán, llamado el Bueno, 1256-1309, <br>
caballero<br>
> castellano a quien la tradición atribuye todas las virtudes <br>
caballerescas)<wbr>.<br>
> 1. m. Noble que servía en la Armada real y en el Ejército de <br>
España con plaza<br>
> de soldado, pero con distinción.<br>
> <br>
> So the word really comes from a single individual, in this case <br>
Alonso Pérez<br>
> de Guzmán, so the origin of the word goes back to the problem of <br>
identifying the<br>
> origin of the surname.<br>
<br>
This is very interesting. Thank you for your research! <br>
<br>
> About this, I have searched in etymology pages and the<br>
> most accepted theory is that of a germanic origin, be it Gothic or <br>
German.<br>
> <br>
> The generalized opinion in these pages is that the name comes <br>
from Gundemar,<br>
> the king of the Visigoths in Hispania from 610 to 612. In the <br>
later half of the<br>
> 16th Century, the Spanish economist Fr. Bartolomé Frías de <br>
Albornoz, who also<br>
> did some etymology research at his time, proposed the <br>
name "Guzmán" as derived<br>
> from the name of a British prince called "Gutiman". Gonzalo Argote <br>
de Molina<br>
> (1549-1596), Spanish author, stated that in the 950, the count Don <br>
Nuño Muñoz<br>
> founded in Roa de Duero (in the actual province of Burgos) and in <br>
the place of<br>
> Guzmán, the original site of the House of Guzmán. Unfortunately, I <br>
don't have<br>
> the exact sources for this quotes. It is a fact, though, that <br>
there exists a<br>
> village called Guzmán in the province of Burgos.<br>
> <br>
> About the statement of the Duchess of Medina-Sidonia in which <br>
she says that<br>
> most probably the name was of moorish origin, that may be true, <br>
but in turn<br>
> there turns out to be a theory in which the original name, still <br>
of Gothic<br>
> origin, underwent some changes when under moorish rule. Thus, the <br>
families with<br>
> that name who accepted to convert to Islam or live in moorish <br>
territory adapted<br>
> the name and it changed from Gundemaro -> Guz de Maro -> Guz de <br>
Mar -> Guzmar -><br>
> Guzman. This assumes that in mozarabic language the "de" particle <br>
was taken as a<br>
> generic mark and it disappeared.<br>
<br>
Well, strictly spoken, Gundemarus is not Gothic, but Burgundian. <br>
Notice the voiced stop [d] and the long [a:] which features are <br>
clearly North-West Germanic, shared by Burgundian (as a result of a <br>
longer intercourse?<wbr>) unlike other East Germanic languages. The royal <br>
Burgundian dynasty favored names with the Gund- element: their kings <br>
were called Gundacharius, Gundobadus, Gundeuechus et sim. Gothic <br>
*Gunþimêrs ("battle/famous"<wbr>) would probably appear as Gunthemirus in <br>
a Latinized source.<br>
<br>
> It is a fact, anyway, that under the dictatorship of General <br>
Franco in the<br>
> past century in Spain, there was an interest in exalting the <br>
Visigothic past of<br>
> Spain and in linking the origin of the Spanish modern nobility to <br>
the Gothic<br>
> one. Most people who are now from 50 to 60 years old had to <br>
memorize the list of<br>
> all the Visigothic Kings when they were children at school. The <br>
term "list of<br>
> the Gothic Kings" is used often in modern Spanish to refer to a <br>
dull and boring<br>
> task.<br>
<br>
How is it in Spanish? I know there are still some expressions in the <br>
language of today which go back to the times of, if not the <br>
Visigoths themselves, then the rise of the Spanish Gothicism. Could <br>
you please refer to some list of such phrases, or maybe post it <br>
here? Thanks in advance!<br>
<br>
> Kind regards,<br>
> <br>
> Rydwlf<br>
<br>
Ualarauans<br>
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