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<p>Hails, Rydwlf!<br>
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--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, Rydwlf <mitsuhippon@<wbr>...> wrote:<br>
><br>
> About "Guzmán" as a word, there is some interesting facts. In <br>
fact, it does<br>
> exist in modern Spanish, as "guzmán", although it's not very used <br>
and may be<br>
> regarded as an archaism. I can tell you that I didn't think it <br>
existed as a<br>
> modern-use word, but I looked for it in the dictionary (just in <br>
case) and it<br>
> turned out that it existed.<br>
> <br>
> In the Dictionary from the Real Academia de la Lengua<br>
> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Academia_Espa%C3%B1ola">http://en.wikipedia<wbr>.org/wiki/<wbr>Real_Academia_<wbr>Espa%C3%B1ola</a>), that <br>
is the<br>
> organization responsible of regulating the Spanish language, and <br>
compiling<br>
> updated dictionaries, the word "guzmán" appears as follows:<br>
> <br>
> guzmán (De Alonso Pérez de Guzmán, llamado el Bueno, 1256-1309, <br>
caballero<br>
> castellano a quien la tradición atribuye todas las virtudes <br>
caballerescas)<wbr>.<br>
> 1. m. Noble que servía en la Armada real y en el Ejército de <br>
Espańa con plaza<br>
> de soldado, pero con distinción.<br>
> <br>
> So the word really comes from a single individual, in this case <br>
Alonso Pérez<br>
> de Guzmán, so the origin of the word goes back to the problem of <br>
identifying the<br>
> origin of the surname.<br>
<br>
This is very interesting. Thank you for your research! <br>
<br>
> About this, I have searched in etymology pages and the<br>
> most accepted theory is that of a germanic origin, be it Gothic or <br>
German.<br>
> <br>
> The generalized opinion in these pages is that the name comes <br>
from Gundemar,<br>
> the king of the Visigoths in Hispania from 610 to 612. In the <br>
later half of the<br>
> 16th Century, the Spanish economist Fr. Bartolomé Frías de <br>
Albornoz, who also<br>
> did some etymology research at his time, proposed the <br>
name "Guzmán" as derived<br>
> from the name of a British prince called "Gutiman". Gonzalo Argote <br>
de Molina<br>
> (1549-1596), Spanish author, stated that in the 950, the count Don <br>
Nuńo Muńoz<br>
> founded in Roa de Duero (in the actual province of Burgos) and in <br>
the place of<br>
> Guzmán, the original site of the House of Guzmán. Unfortunately, I <br>
don't have<br>
> the exact sources for this quotes. It is a fact, though, that <br>
there exists a<br>
> village called Guzmán in the province of Burgos.<br>
> <br>
> About the statement of the Duchess of Medina-Sidonia in which <br>
she says that<br>
> most probably the name was of moorish origin, that may be true, <br>
but in turn<br>
> there turns out to be a theory in which the original name, still <br>
of Gothic<br>
> origin, underwent some changes when under moorish rule. Thus, the <br>
families with<br>
> that name who accepted to convert to Islam or live in moorish <br>
territory adapted<br>
> the name and it changed from Gundemaro -> Guz de Maro -> Guz de <br>
Mar -> Guzmar -><br>
> Guzman. This assumes that in mozarabic language the "de" particle <br>
was taken as a<br>
> generic mark and it disappeared.<br>
<br>
Well, strictly spoken, Gundemarus is not Gothic, but Burgundian. <br>
Notice the voiced stop [d] and the long [a:] which features are <br>
clearly North-West Germanic, shared by Burgundian (as a result of a <br>
longer intercourse?<wbr>) unlike other East Germanic languages. The royal <br>
Burgundian dynasty favored names with the Gund- element: their kings <br>
were called Gundacharius, Gundobadus, Gundeuechus et sim. Gothic <br>
*Gunţimęrs ("battle/famous"<wbr>) would probably appear as Gunthemirus in <br>
a Latinized source.<br>
<br>
> It is a fact, anyway, that under the dictatorship of General <br>
Franco in the<br>
> past century in Spain, there was an interest in exalting the <br>
Visigothic past of<br>
> Spain and in linking the origin of the Spanish modern nobility to <br>
the Gothic<br>
> one. Most people who are now from 50 to 60 years old had to <br>
memorize the list of<br>
> all the Visigothic Kings when they were children at school. The <br>
term "list of<br>
> the Gothic Kings" is used often in modern Spanish to refer to a <br>
dull and boring<br>
> task.<br>
<br>
How is it in Spanish? I know there are still some expressions in the <br>
language of today which go back to the times of, if not the <br>
Visigoths themselves, then the rise of the Spanish Gothicism. Could <br>
you please refer to some list of such phrases, or maybe post it <br>
here? Thanks in advance!<br>
<br>
> Kind regards,<br>
> <br>
> Rydwlf<br>
<br>
Ualarauans<br>
<br>
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