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<p>Hi Dear Dirk,<br>
<br>
I did indeed, in opposite to you, appreciate Tore's initiative. It is<br>
a good and convincing article and it is not alone. There are several<br>
good contributions in the same booklet originating in a cooperation<br>
project between Swedish and Bulgarian researchers. Besides Anders<br>
Kaliff Lars Munkhammar and Ulf Erik Hagberg have articles there and a<br>
fair amounts of Bulgarians, some of which being associated to the<br>
Wulfila foundation in Sofia. It is an interdisciplinary book treating<br>
both history, archaeology and linguistics. The title is 'Goterna' in<br>
Swedish and in Bulgarian. It means 'The Goths'. The articles are in<br>
English or Bulgarian with English, or in one case I think German,<br>
summaries. it is published by Balkan Media, Sofia 2006. Tore and I met<br>
those people in Uppsala at a symposium and had valuable interchange<br>
with them. This project is intended to be expanded with contributions<br>
from several researchers from both countries and possibly including<br>
also other nationalities. <br>
<br>
I see you have started shooting wildly with these new books. Well, you<br>
mostly break already open doors since nobody claims the Goths didn't<br>
undergo some changes according to external influences, and nor that<br>
new peoples were accepted as Goths in the course of the Gothic wars.<br>
This however has nothing at all to do with the Gothic origin, which is<br>
what among else Kaliff treats. If You and your compatriots try to<br>
eliminate the Wielbark culture totally from the Gothic history you<br>
will undertake an impossible task. Harry's estimation in Germanic list<br>
of the reception of this idea seems well built under. <br>
I however have no doubt the books might be quite good in the claimed<br>
subject, i.e. the Gothic Wars in close contact with the Romans, but<br>
this has, as mentioned, nothing with the original origin-question to<br>
do, but only with later local ethogenesi.<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
Ingemar<br>
<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "faltin2001" <d.faltin@..<wbr>.> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi all,<br>
> <br>
> over the Christmas holidays I had the chance to read two quite recent <br>
> books on the Goths, which I think are 'must-reads' for anybody <br>
> interested in the history of the Goths. One is "Rome's Gothic Wars - <br>
> From the Third Century to Alaric", by Michael Kulikowski, Cambridge <br>
> University Press, 2007. I suppose chapter 3, entitled 'The Search for <br>
> Gothic Origins' will be of special interest to many on this list.<br>
> <br>
> The author dismisses Jordanes Getica as a genuine source of Gothic <br>
> early history, stating for example (p. 43) "And yet Jordanes, as we <br>
> shall see, is not merely unreliable, he is deeply misleading". <br>
> Kulikowski demonstrates convincingly how Jordanes' story underpinned <br>
> and still underpins much of the scholarly research of the Goths till <br>
> today - both historical and even more perplexingly archaeological. In <br>
> this vain he shows just how misguided authors such as Anders Kaliff <br>
> are in their treatment of the subject. <br>
> <br>
> Kulikowski writes on page 55-56 "Rather than migrants from the <br>
> distant north, it is more likely that the Goths who entered imperial <br>
> history in the earlier third century were a product of circumstances <br>
> of the imperial frontier. ... These were the social forces that <br>
> created the coalitions of the Franks and Alamanni along the Rhine and <br>
> the upper Danube in the third century, and we have suggested that the <br>
> Goths on the lower Danube shoulde be understood in the same way."<br>
> <br>
> Kulikowski argues that the Wielbark-Chernyakho<wbr>v connection is largely <br>
> based, consciously or unconsciously on the Jordanes narrative. The <br>
> cultural influences on the Chernyakhov culture are so plentiful and <br>
> balanced that without Jordanes scholars would not have dreamt of <br>
> privileging the Wielbark connection. Kulikowski writes "The answer, <br>
> at least in my view, is that there is no Gothic history before the <br>
> third century. The Goths are a product of the Roman frontier, just <br>
> like the Franks and the Alamanni who apear at the same time."<br>
> <br>
> I know, this book will not meet with the approval from some on this <br>
> list, however, I think it very well worth reading. It shows a novel <br>
> and refreshingly plausible picture of late antiquity and migration <br>
> age history and in terms of its conceptualisations shoould also be <br>
> revealing to those who have special interest in fringe goups such as <br>
> the Heruls. <br>
> <br>
> The second book, which I finally managed to read is Patrick Amory's <br>
> much celebrated book "People and identity in Ostrogothic Italy, 489-<br>
> 554". Cambridge University Press, 1997. Amory's books also includes a <br>
> chapter on the origin of the Goths, which is entitled 'The origin of <br>
> the Goths and Balkan military culture'. This chapter can be seen as <br>
> antecedent to the one by Kulikowski. Both authors show what we call <br>
> Goths and what the Romans called Goths in a new light. Amory <br>
> demostrates, not least with an extensive prosopography the amorphous <br>
> ethnic situation along the Roman Balkan frontier, were the name Goths <br>
> could easily pass from one group to the next with the actural members <br>
> of such groups often not even being aware that the Romans had labled <br>
> them in that way. <br>
> <br>
> Boths books are of course in English and therefore accessible to <br>
> everybody on this list. I hope you will enjoy them as much as I did.<br>
> <br>
> Cheers,<br>
> <br>
> Dirk<br>
><br>
<br>
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