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<p>--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "thiudans" <thiudans@..<wbr>.> wrote:<br>
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> Hails!<br>
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> Has anyone seen this book and can anyone comment on it?<br>
> <br>
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<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1597523941/ref=ord_cart_shr/104-4806149-6031927?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance">http://www.amazon.<wbr>com/exec/<wbr>obidos/tg/<wbr>detail/-/<wbr>1597523941/<wbr>ref=ord_cart_<wbr>shr/104-4806149-<wbr>6031927?%<wbr>5Fencoding=<wbr>UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX<wbr>0DER&v=glance</a><br>
> <br>
> Introduction to the Gothic Language<br>
> (Ancient Language Resources)<br>
> by Thomas O. Lambdin.<br>
> <br>
> Published Jan. 2006 by Wipf & Stock.<br>
><br>
<br>
Hails, Țiudan!<br>
<br>
I haven't seen this one, I'm afraid, but I can comment on the following:<br>
<br>
Word Order and Phrase Structure in Gothic<br>
by G Ferraresi<br>
ISBN: 90-429-1694-<wbr>X<br>
<br>
Published May 2006 by Peeters Publishers<br>
<a href="http://www.peeters-leuven.be/boekoverz.asp?nr=8008">http://www.peeters-<wbr>leuven.be/<wbr>boekoverz.<wbr>asp?nr=8008</a><br>
<br>
It's adapted from the author's doctoral thesis. Although the author<br>
makes some interesting observations, the book as a whole is flawed by<br>
quite a few typos and misunderstandings. E.g. the IMP-3sg verbal<br>
ending -adau is twice (108, 120) misidentified as MEDIOPASS-OPT-<wbr>3sg<br>
(which would be -aidau). du "to" is mistakenly claimed to assign "all<br>
cases but NOM" (73). The Old Icelandic cited on p. 139, ațr alținge<br>
er úte sumar, should read áțr alținge er úte í sumar. It doesn't mean<br>
"before everything is out in summer", but "before the { Althingi,<br>
National Assembly } is over this summer." Mention is made of "the<br>
reflexive possessive pronoun sein-, which shows a full paradigm of<br>
cases, genders and numbers" (83), whereas in fact sein- is lacking in<br>
the nominative.<br>
<br>
More seriously, there is a failure to recognise the extent of Greek<br>
influence on word order in the Gothic Bible. For large parts of the<br>
book, Greek and Gothic verses with identical word order are cited<br>
uncritically as evidence for Gothic. Some claims are supported<br>
exclusively with such examples, e.g. 29 Gothic examples are cited in §<br>
2.8, Double Object Constructions (63-75), in every one of which the<br>
order of arguments in the Gothic translation matches that of the Greek<br>
text cited exactly. Streitberg's reconstruction of the Greek source<br>
text is cited, and endorsed with no reference to the criticisms of<br>
Marchand and Stutz [ <a href="http://www.wulfila.be/gothic/browse/">http://www.wulfila.<wbr>be/gothic/<wbr>browse/</a> ]. <br>
Alternative readings from Nestlé-Aland are given, but the complexities<br>
of the history behind the Gothic text are not adequately dealt with,<br>
nor its mutual interaction with the Vetus Latina. These are tricky<br>
matters, and it may not be possible to get to the bottom of all such<br>
textual problems, but the introduction seem to me rather dismissive of<br>
the difficulties, even speaking of the "autonomy of the Gothic from<br>
the Greek model," as if this was an either / or question.<br>
<br>
Conversely, where differences between Greek and Gothic do occur, their<br>
significance is sometimes ignored. On p. 150, the particle iț is<br>
designated a P2 (second position) particle on the basis on just three<br>
examples, all of which match Greek usage, in spite of 623 examples<br>
where Gothic deviates from Greek by placing iț first!<br>
<br>
On occasion, the writing is rendered hard to follow or misleading by<br>
its own word order and phrase structure: "This [the independence of<br>
Gothic] is shown first by the fact that in some cases there is no<br>
reflexive in Greek, or the personal pronoun is used, whereas Gothic<br>
has a reflexive pronoun, and to a much greater extent by the fact that<br>
in Greek there is the reflexive pronoun hEAUTON in the accusative and<br>
hEAUTOU (which can also appear abbreviated as hAUTOU, hAUTON in the<br>
genitive case), which is used not only for the 3rd person but also as<br>
a reflexive pronoun for the 1st and 2nd persons" (84). The last part<br>
of this is presumably intended to say something like: "...the<br>
reflexive pronounaccusative hEAUTON, genitive hEAUTOU -- which can<br>
also appear abbreviated as hAUTON and hAUTOU respectively.<wbr>"<br>
<br>
Ch. 2 "Pronouns and Double Object Constructions" is deeply flawed by<br>
indiscriminate use of matching examples, and to some extent by<br>
oversights and counting mistakes. The author makes an interesting<br>
observation that there is always a change of subject when Gothic<br>
nominative personal pronouns are expressed in an embedded clause while<br>
"the Greek" doesn't express the pronoun (49), although it's unclear<br>
from the way the data is presented, and the lack of references to<br>
verse numbers, whether a complete survey of the corpus has been made.<br>
Some of the statistics given seem too low to me, e.g.<br>
<br>
"In all 17 entries in the whole Bible, the pronoun ita never appears<br>
in initial position, but always follows the verb in main clauses"<br>
(60). This same value is also given in Table 58 on p. 53. But I<br>
count at least 21 examples of this word form [<br>
<a href="http://www.wulfila.be/Corpus/Search.html">http://www.wulfila.<wbr>be/Corpus/<wbr>Search.html</a> ], [<br>
<a href="http://titus.uni-frankfurt.de/indexe.htm">http://titus.<wbr>uni-frankfurt.<wbr>de/indexe.<wbr>htm</a> ]. I'm not sure if there are<br>
any examples in the glosses.<br>
<br>
Ch. 3 "Reflexive Pronouns" is right to distinguish between inherent<br>
and argumental reflexive pronouns. The observation (attributed to<br>
Harbert), that a high proportion of the examples of LDR-avoidance with<br>
present participles is to be found in the Skeireins, may be<br>
significant (95-96).<br>
<br>
Ch. 4 "Topicalization and Discourse Particles" provides a potentially<br>
useful summary of the use of each particle discussed, but with certain<br>
misunderstandings and unfounded conclusions (e.g. the idea that -u<br>
adds "an element of emotion" such as surprise or disappointment)<wbr>. <br>
Some of the comments on word order are flawed by the use of examples<br>
where Gothic and Greek word order match, and I would question whether<br>
auk ever really means "also" (71, 170). Of the three supporting<br>
examples on p. 171, F herself has only translated one as "also". But<br>
here, I Cor 1:16, the idea "also" is already expressed by jaț- (jah),<br>
translating Gk. KAI.<br>
<br>
There are many aspects of Gothic word order that the book doesn't<br>
address (some covered in earlier works such as those of Streitberg and<br>
Gabelentz / Loebe), and much of the structure it does describe is NT<br>
Greek rather than Gothic.<br>
<br>
LN<br>
<br>
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