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<p>Can we add this to the slowly growing GBRP (gothic bible<br>
reconstruction project?). So far, following the textus receptus has<br>
got us fairly stylistically continuous to the extant wulfilian<br>
translation/<wbr>gloss.<br>
<br>
I'm putting a version of Naihaimias in its present state into the<br>
gothic-l files folder, for criticism should anyone be so inclined.<br>
That follows the Sept. mostly, with notes where deemed appropriate.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Th.<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "ualarauans" <ualarauans@<wbr>...> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hails, Lama!<br>
> <br>
> Thank you very much for your correction. I've got some further <br>
> doubts concerning this fragment and I'd appreciate to know what the <br>
> list-mates think.<br>
> <br>
> KOSMOS = fairhvus "world", but isn't "ornament", "attire" another <br>
> meaning of the Greek word? In this context, couldn't the tongue be <br>
> called a "decoration of iniquity", i.e. a means to disguise it<br>
> (with lies)? We've got Go. fetjan KOSMEIN "to adorn", "to decorate"; <br>
> hrains, gafaurs KOSMIOS "decent" attested. hO KOSMOS THS ADIKIAS = <br>
> feteins inwindiþos?<br>
> <br>
> KAQISTATAI = gasatida ist. Or, maybe, gasatjada?<br>
> <br>
> hH SPILOUSA = anawammjandei. Doesn't it need the article here:<br>
> so anawammjandei? And what about no article before the first <br>
> appearance of tuggo in the sentence and putting it before the second <br>
> one – is it correct here?<br>
> <br>
> FLOGIZEIN = intandjan (attested for KATAKAIEIN). Another variant <br>
> was, of course, inbrannjan (KAIEIN). We've got lauhmuni for FLOX <br>
> (gen. FLOGOS). How about *lauhmunjan for FLOGIZEIN (formally like <br>
> glitmunjan)? And, FLOGIZOMENH hUPO THS GEENNHS – couldn't it be also <br>
> intandjada fram gaiainnin? BTW, am I right putting dat. sg.<br>
> of gaiainna* after weak masculina (gaiainnin*)<wbr>? Maybe, the only <br>
> attested acc. sg. gaiainnan is but a copy of Greek acc. sg. fem.<br>
> 1st decl. GEENNAN?<br>
> <br>
> Finally, TROCOS = runs (attested for DROMOS). And we know rinnan for <br>
> TRECEIN. Here there's a problem. In my grandparents' library I <br>
> recently found an old book titled "Grammatik des neutestamentlichen <br>
> Sprachidioms"<wbr>, bearb. von Dr. G. B. Winer, Leipzig, 1867, where on <br>
> p. 53 I read: "Begründet ... ist der Unterschied zwischen TROCOS <br>
> (oxytonon) "Rad", wie Jac. 3, 6. der Text und die accentuirten Codd. <br>
> haben, und TROCOS (paroxytonon) "Lauf", wie nach ... u. A. gelesen <br>
> werden soll... Das Bild TROCOS (oxytonon) GENESEWS ist<br>
> (mit FLOGIZOUSA verbunden) weder incorrect noch bei Jacobus <br>
> besonders auffällig, eine Aenderung der Schreibart mithin unnötig". <br>
> I have no idea in how much outdated this is now, but if it was <br>
> really "a wheel of birth", what could Gothic "wheel" be like?<br>
> <br>
> Ualarauans<br>
> <br>
> --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > Hails, Walhahrabn!<br>
> > <br>
> > Looks convincing. Just one thing comes to mind: I would suggest<br>
> > 'fram' rather than 'af' to translate hUPO here. This seems to be <br>
> the<br>
> > normal preposition used where Gothic needs to express the agent in <br>
> a<br>
> > passive construction (unlike Old Norse, where it would be 'af'). I<br>
> > can't think of any examples where 'af' is used in this way in the<br>
> > Gothic corpus.<br>
> > <br>
> > <a href="http://www.wulfila.be/lib/streitberg/1910/HTML/B037.html">http://www.wulfila.<wbr>be/lib/streitber<wbr>g/1910/HTML/<wbr>B037.html</a><br>
> > <a href="http://www.wulfila.be/lib/streitberg/1910/HTML/B001.html">http://www.wulfila.<wbr>be/lib/streitber<wbr>g/1910/HTML/<wbr>B001.html</a><br>
> > <br>
> > LN<br>
> > <br>
> > --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "ualarauans" <ualarauans@<wbr>> <br>
> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Hails!<br>
> > ><br>
> > > (James 3:6):<br>
> > ><br>
> > > "And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue<br>
> > > among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth <br>
> on<br>
> > > fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell".<br>
> > ><br>
> > > KAI hH GLWSSA PUR hO KOSMOS THS ADIKIAS hH GLWSSA KAQISTATAI EN <br>
> TOIS<br>
> > > MELESIN hHMWN hH SPILOUSA hOLON TO SWMA KAI FLOGIZOUSA TON TROCON<br>
> > > THS GENESEWS KAI FLOGIZOMENH hUPO THS GEENNHS<br>
> > ><br>
> > > [*] jah tuggo <ist> fon fairhvus inwindiþos so tuggo gasatida <br>
> ist in<br>
> > > liþum unsaraim anawammjandei allata leik jah intandjandei run<br>
> > > gabaurþais jah intandida af gaiainnin<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Please criticize the Gothic version. All comments are welcome.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Thanx<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Ualarauans<br>
><br>
<br>
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