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Good points, Thiudans. Thinks: "One small Gothic song for a man, one<br>
giant Gothic leap for mankind." Regarding the word order, there would<br>
probably be some freedom. There are a few instances of numbers placed<br>
before the noun they modify in the Bible, where the two words<br>
correspond to a single word of Greek. But then there is the rule that<br>
numerals 4-19 are declined for dative and genitive only when they<br>
occur after the noun, which suggests the both orders were possible in<br>
theory in native Gothic. Perhaps, on that basis, we can guess that<br>
the order numeral first was least emphatic. Other strong adjective<br>
and genitive modifiers tend to follow the noun they modify in those<br>
very few instances in the Bible where Greek influence on word order<br>
can be discounted (but weak adjectives tend to come first). The<br>
Skeireins shows more freedom in this respect, but with a tendency to<br>
place partitive genitives after. In the Bible, in those (independent)<br>
instances where the genitive is placed before the noun or adjective it<br>
modifies, the two words can be seen as being in a closer relationship<br>
that otherwise, i.e. having the nature of a compound, compare: witodis<br>
laus : witoda-laus (I Cor 9:21), both = ANOMOS "without law." <br>
According to Zoega's Old Icelandic Dictionary, "if put after the noun,<br>
[Old Icelandic] 'einn' generally denotes 'only', 'but'". I don't know<br>
if there's any evidence one way or the other as to whether Gothic had<br>
such a tendency too. So, apologies to Michael for my misguided<br>
criticism! That leaves us with possibilities such as:<br>
<br>
(ains)<br>
........gutane (cf. Pietroassa inscription)<br>
........gut- (cf. Calendar)<br>
............<wbr>.....saggws<br>
............<wbr>.........<wbr>......smals<br>
............<wbr>.........<wbr>......leitils<br>
<br>
LN<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "thiudans" <thiudans@..<wbr>.> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Little song I think should not use a partitive genitive. "Little<br>
> music" might, because it suggests a part of a larger collective whole,<br>
> like little yeast etc., in the same way we say in English "a little<br>
> (bit of)..." One little song, emphasizing the number via 'ain-' might<br>
> act as a deprecative.<br>
> <br>
> -Th.<br>
> <br>
> --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > First, congratulations Arthur on your latest compositions! Waila<br>
> > waurhteis! Some powerful and poignant poetry there.<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, Michael Erwin <merwin@> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I suppose the Gothic thread-name would be "Ains leitils *Gutsaggws"<br>
> > > <br>
> > > or "Ains smals Gutisks saggws"<br>
> > > <br>
> > > or a combination thereof?<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > Or maybe 'leitil Gutane saggwis' (compare I Cor 5:6, I Tim 5:23), with<br>
> > a partitive genitive. Like the other early Germanic languages, Gothic<br>
> > mostly does without an indefinite article in the singular...<br>
> > <br>
> > leitil beistis<br>
> > "a little yeast"<br>
> > <br>
> > weinis leitil brukjais<br>
> > "use a little wine"<br>
> > <br>
> > jah was jainar manna gažaursana habands handu.<br>
> > "and there was yonder a man having a withered hand"<br>
> > <br>
> > unte manna hardus is<br>
> > "for thou art a hard man"<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > > GBRP / Naihaimias & James 3:6 [was just] Re: James 3:6<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Hails!<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Are there any good reasons to believe that a Gothic version of the<br>
> > Revelation once existed?<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Ualarauans<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > I'm not aware of any specific evidence one way or the other about<br>
> > Revelation. There are hints in the Vienna-Salzburg Codex that a<br>
> > translation of Genesis existed, and there are a couple of clues to<br>
> > suggest that there was a Gothic psalter. John Chrysostomus mentions<br>
> > in a homily that psalms were sung in Constantinople in Greek, Syrian,<br>
> > Latin and Barbarian language; according to Elfriede Stutz, "es ist<br>
> > kaum zu bezweifeln, dass mit THi BARBARWN FWNHi die got. Sprache<br>
> > gemeint ist" (Gotische Literaturdenkmä<wbr>ler 1966, p. 30). Then there is<br>
> > the case of the two Goths who wrote to Jerome for his advice regarding<br>
> > translating the psalms, although Stutz comments that it isn't clear<br>
> > whether they had in mind translation into Gothic specifically.<br>
> > <br>
> > LN<br>
> ><br>
><br>
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