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<p>Carl,<br>
<br>
Indeed, I'm 'hoping' for more insights from families who have lore <br>
or hoarded facts on their visigothic-spanish lineage to share some; <br>
I've met some that do and who want their lineal information kept <br>
private in order to avoid being targetted; I honor their requests <br>
and desire not to share with scholars that would return nothing to <br>
them in recompense for private family information. That is where I'm <br>
coming from, and now I think I understand where your skeptical <br>
reaction is coming from. <br>
<br>
I'm a writer, and am in resaerch mode. Thanks for sharing your <br>
interest on the topic and for referring books in English. I read <br>
Spanish, but with a dictionary, mostly. <br>
<br>
Cheerio,<br>
Kristin-Marie<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, Carl Edlund Anderson <cea@...> <br>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> On 16/03/2007 15:42, Kristin Marie Wall wrote:<br>
> > Do you have visigoth information for me? If so, please email me. <br>
In <br>
> > any event, email me with your skeptical questions so as not to <br>
take <br>
> > up time from the rest of the group. I have my information from <br>
the <br>
> > top echelon families in Spain. I'll be indebted to know the <br>
sources <br>
> > of your skepticism.<br>
> <br>
> I want to emphasize that my skepticism (and, yes, sarcasm) was <br>
_not_ <br>
> aimed at you -- but I freely admit it is aimed whoever told about <br>
this <br>
> mysterious information unknown to "the scholars". I would also <br>
like to <br>
> emphasize that Gothic issues were never my main area of work, but <br>
I do <br>
> know a number of people who have worked on late antique and early <br>
> medieval Spain, including on Visigothic issues, and my skepticism <br>
is <br>
> based on my general background and experience, as well as what <br>
I've <br>
> gleaned about the field from friends and colleagues.<br>
> <br>
> With regard to the particular issue at hand -- that of private <br>
families <br>
> (regardless of their echelon) in Spain having genuine information <br>
about <br>
> Visigothic Spain that is not known to the academic and scholarly <br>
world <br>
> in general -- I think I will leave it at saying I find it utterly <br>
> incredible in every sense of the word. Of course, it's a free <br>
internet, <br>
> and one can choose to believe what and who one will. But I am <br>
> _strongly_ inclined to file information alongside concepts such as <br>
> Merovingians being descended from Jesus and Atlanteans building <br>
the <br>
> pyramids. I'm not a dogmatic knee-jerk kind of guy, though, and I <br>
am <br>
> entirely open to being proven wrong -- it would not be the first <br>
time :) <br>
> But I would be _extremely_ surprised and (in the event that <br>
there was <br>
> genuine new information available to the world) very happy.<br>
> <br>
> With regards to the topic Visigothic Spain generally, I cannot say <br>
much <br>
> specific that's of any value since that is, as I note, not my area <br>
of <br>
> expertise. I can say that I know the subject has always been a <br>
> difficult one, and the history of its study is littered with <br>
ethnic, <br>
> religious, and political issues. (Even during the period of the <br>
> Visigothic kings, ethnicity and identity seems to have been fairly <br>
fluid <br>
> concepts in the Iberian peninsula, thanks to the complicated <br>
religious <br>
> and political situation.) I fear the best overview of the subject <br>
in <br>
> English is still E.A. Thompson's, _The Goths in Spain_ -- an <br>
excellent <br>
> book, just now 40 years or so old. More promisingly, there has <br>
been a <br>
> lot of interest in ethnicity and identity in late antiquity and <br>
the <br>
> early medieval period in recent decades, and there's a good deal <br>
of <br>
> Spanish-language scholarship that appeared in the form of journal <br>
> articles and such dealing with such issues regarding various <br>
Roman, <br>
> Visigothic, and Moorish identities (as well as Basque) around the <br>
time <br>
> of the Visigothic kings and also effects of relations with the <br>
Frankish <br>
> polities to the north. If you read Spanish, seeking out recent <br>
articles <br>
> treating Visigothic identity is probably the best bet. Visigothic <br>
Spain <br>
> is unquestionably a fascinating field over which there surely much <br>
> debate yet to come.<br>
> <br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Carl<br>
> <br>
> -- <br>
> Carl Edlund Anderson<br>
> mailto:cea@.<wbr>..<br>
> <a href="http://www.carlaz.com/">http://www.carlaz.<wbr>com/</a><br>
><br>
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