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            <p>Hello,<br>
I have joined the group recently. I am from the Czech Republic, and in the southeast of the country there is a little mountain range called Pálava...I dont know its etymology though. Czech cognate to Proto-Slavic *pelva is pleva, meaning chaff or glume.<br>
<br>
David Simecek<br>
<br>
"Paperno D." <<a href="mailto:denis.paperno%40avicomp.com">denis.paperno@<wbr>avicomp.com</a>> skrev:                                  Hails Michel Sauvant,<br>
 <br>
 No idea about the Spanish word, just a little remark about its putative<br>
 Slavic origin.<br>
 <br>
 Proto-Slavic *pelva 'straw' gives South Slavic plEva and East Slavic polova.<br>
 Note that /o/ in Old Slavic languages is a short vowel, as opposed to long<br>
 /a/ (phonological pattern opposite to the Germanic one), and thus could well<br>
 be adapted as *palavo>palava in Gothic.<br>
 <br>
 This phonological correspondence is quite plausible, unlike the rest of the<br>
 story.<br>
 <br>
 1)       The further Spanish adaptation looks quite aukward;<br>
 <br>
 2)       This version would presuppose (Visi)Gothic contacts with East<br>
 Slavs, which is not impossible, though their later contacts with South Slavs<br>
 are much better attested (please correct me, I don't feel free in such<br>
 historical questions)<br>
 <br>
 3)       The early Germanic-Slavic linguistic contacts (for that epoch, it's<br>
 hard to distinguish whether they were particularly Gothic-Slavic) are<br>
 attested mostly in borrowings INTO Slavic, not from Slavic (please correct<br>
 me if I oversimplify in this point).<br>
 <br>
 4)       The early Germanic-Slavic linguistic contacts usually connected<br>
 with the name of Goths are dated at the Proto-Slavic epoch, and East-Slavic<br>
 to Gothic looks like anachronism.<br>
 <br>
 Best,<br>
 <br>
 Denis Paperno<br>
 <br>
 _____  <br>
 <br>
 From: <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>] On Behalf<br>
 Of michelsauvant<br>
 Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:30 PM<br>
 To: <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a><br>
 Subject: [gothic-l] Re: Gothic influence on Spanish language?<br>
 <br>
 Hello,<br>
 Unfortunatly,<wbr>I don't have this book and...<br>
 I have a question regarding the word for "straw" in Spanish (balago). <br>
 I looked on dictionnaries and I arrived at the following choice: <br>
 <br>
 1- Greacian words "pallo" or "paluno" introduced by Phoceans in <br>
 theirs colonies (Nice, Antibes, Cannes, Marseille, Emporion) and <br>
 becommind in Gallo-Roman Age the verb "ballo, ballare".<br>
 >From participial form "ballatum" the Wisigoths could have <br>
 made "balago".<br>
 <br>
 2-Wisigoths imported to Spain a word "palava(?)" coming from one <br>
 language on the sides of Black Sea where they lived during a long <br>
 time. (references Sanskrit "palaavah" = "straw" and modern <br>
 russian "palevyj" = "straw" and other slavic languages)<br>
 The word "palava (?)" could have been mutated in "balago" when <br>
 wisigoths arrived in South of France and in Spain.<br>
 <br>
 In South of France we had medieval terms "balagaire" <br>
 meaning "sweeper". But I think that the first "sweeping" for <br>
 a "balagaire" was, during wisigotic age, for separating grain from <br>
 straw with a kind of broom. I found a village named Villa Balagari at <br>
 the end of Wisigothic age.<br>
 <br>
 Does anyone know if balago was introduced into the Spanish language <br>
 by the Goths ? <br>
 Or does anyone know if palava (?) could have been used around year <br>
 350 by Goths when they were near Black Sea?<br>
 <br>
 Michel SAUVANT<br>
 <br>
 --- In gothic-l@yahoogroup <mailto:gothic-<wbr>l%40yahoogroups.<wbr>com> s.com, Carl<br>
 Edlund Anderson <cea@...> wrote:<br>
 ><br>
 > Just as an added note, there is a short passage summarizing Gothic <br>
 > lexical influence on Spanish (within a section of a few pages on <br>
 > early Germanic borrowings generally) in Ralph Penny's _A History <br>
 of <br>
 > the Spanish Language_.<br>
 > <br>
 > Cheers,<br>
 > Carl<br>
 > <br>
 > --<br>
 > Carl Edlund Anderson<br>
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