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<p>Hi Denis!<br>
<br>
Probably early contacts between the Goths and forefathers of the Slavs took place prior to division of the Slavs into three main branches of nowadays and future divergence some of them to the NW and SW. Those contacts refer to III-IV cc. AD in the Dnepr region and involve inhabitants of the Chernyakhov (presumable the early Goths) and Kiev (presumable the Proto-Slavs) archaeological cultures, see in particular: <a href="http://stratum.ant.md/4_00/articles/terpilov/terpilov01.htm">http://stratum.<wbr>ant.md/4_<wbr>00/articles/<wbr>terpilov/<wbr>terpilov01.<wbr>htm</a> (sorry, in Russian).<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Vladimir<br>
<br>
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Subject: RE: [gothic-l] Re: Gothic influence on Spanish language?<br>
<br>
Hails Michel Sauvant,<br>
<br>
No idea about the Spanish word, just a little remark about its putative<br>
Slavic origin.<br>
<br>
Proto-Slavic *pelva 'straw' gives South Slavic plEva and East Slavic polova.<br>
Note that /o/ in Old Slavic languages is a short vowel, as opposed to long<br>
/a/ (phonological pattern opposite to the Germanic one), and thus could well<br>
be adapted as *palavo>palava in Gothic.<br>
<br>
This phonological correspondence is quite plausible, unlike the rest of the<br>
story.<br>
<br>
1) The further Spanish adaptation looks quite aukward;<br>
<br>
2) This version would presuppose (Visi)Gothic contacts with East<br>
Slavs, which is not impossible, though their later contacts with South Slavs<br>
are much better attested (please correct me, I don't feel free in such<br>
historical questions)<br>
<br>
3) The early Germanic-Slavic linguistic contacts (for that epoch, it's<br>
hard to distinguish whether they were particularly Gothic-Slavic) are<br>
attested mostly in borrowings INTO Slavic, not from Slavic (please correct<br>
me if I oversimplify in this point).<br>
<br>
4) The early Germanic-Slavic linguistic contacts usually connected<br>
with the name of Goths are dated at the Proto-Slavic epoch, and East-Slavic<br>
to Gothic looks like anachronism.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Denis Paperno<br>
<br>
_____ <br>
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Subject: [gothic-l] Re: Gothic influence on Spanish language?<br>
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Hello,<br>
Unfortunatly,<wbr>I don't have this book and...<br>
I have a question regarding the word for "straw" in Spanish (balago). <br>
I looked on dictionnaries and I arrived at the following choice: <br>
<br>
1- Greacian words "pallo" or "paluno" introduced by Phoceans in <br>
theirs colonies (Nice, Antibes, Cannes, Marseille, Emporion) and <br>
becommind in Gallo-Roman Age the verb "ballo, ballare".<br>
>From participial form "ballatum" the Wisigoths could have <br>
made "balago".<br>
<br>
2-Wisigoths imported to Spain a word "palava(?)" coming from one <br>
language on the sides of Black Sea where they lived during a long <br>
time. (references Sanskrit "palaavah" = "straw" and modern <br>
russian "palevyj" = "straw" and other slavic languages)<br>
The word "palava (?)" could have been mutated in "balago" when <br>
wisigoths arrived in South of France and in Spain.<br>
<br>
In South of France we had medieval terms "balagaire" <br>
meaning "sweeper". But I think that the first "sweeping" for <br>
a "balagaire" was, during wisigotic age, for separating grain from <br>
straw with a kind of broom. I found a village named Villa Balagari at <br>
the end of Wisigothic age.<br>
<br>
Does anyone know if balago was introduced into the Spanish language <br>
by the Goths ? <br>
Or does anyone know if palava (?) could have been used around year <br>
350 by Goths when they were near Black Sea?<br>
<br>
Michel SAUVANT<br>
<br>
--- In gothic-l@yahoogroup <mailto:gothic-<wbr>l%40yahoogroups.<wbr>com> s.com, Carl<br>
Edlund Anderson <cea@...> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Just as an added note, there is a short passage summarizing Gothic <br>
> lexical influence on Spanish (within a section of a few pages on <br>
> early Germanic borrowings generally) in Ralph Penny's _A History <br>
of <br>
> the Spanish Language_.<br>
> <br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Carl<br>
> <br>
> --<br>
> Carl Edlund Anderson<br>
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