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<p>Thank you Giuseppe and Llama Nom! Now I have to go back over all my<br>
'bi' usages :)<br>
<br>
"scourge, whip" in v. 15 of the same chapter I have rendered *swipo<br>
(weak fem. < Gmc. *swipon). Usbliggwan did not lend itself to a noun<br>
nor did the Gmc. lexicon show such connections. I Suppose I could have<br>
made *flagailjo.<br>
<br>
Do you have statistics on what percentage of narrative present forms<br>
in Greek were translated by preterite in Gothic? Whoever did most of<br>
the first chapter of John (from this list) has used the present in<br>
Gothic in this case.<br>
<br>
-Thiudans<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@...<wbr>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> <br>
> Hails, Žiuadan!<br>
> <br>
> KA[T]A TON KAQARISMON. My guess would be: 'bi žizai gahraineinai'<wbr>. Or<br>
> maybe more likely just 'bi gahraineinai'<wbr>? 'bi' takes dative with the<br>
> sense "in accordance with", as in 'bi witoda' = KATA TON NOMON, etc.<br>
> see Streitberg II. 3(e) [<br>
> <a href="http://www.wulfila.be/lib/streitberg/1910/HTML/B019.html">http://www.wulfila.<wbr>be/lib/streitber<wbr>g/1910/HTML/<wbr>B019.html</a> ].<br>
> <br>
> LN<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "thiudans" <thiudans@> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Hails,<br>
> > <br>
> > Making my way through the gaps in John.<br>
> > <br>
> > cwrousai below is a pres. act. part. in nom. fem. pl. meaning<br>
> > "admitting of" or "allowing" i.e. being able to hold up to 2 or 3<br>
> > metretes of water. Gamotan (gamotandeis) "be admitted etc." would fit<br>
> > a passive meaning but I find no evidence of its use in the active or<br>
> > some such construction as *gamotnandeis or *gamotan wisandeis. Would<br>
> > Gothic prefer a periphrasis here perhaps using bairan or haban and<br>
> magan?<br>
> > <br>
> > John 2:6<br>
> > <br>
> > ἦσ<wbr>αν δὲ ἐκ<wbr>εῖ<br>
> λί<wbr>θι<wbr>να<wbr>ι<br>
> ὑδ<wbr>ρί<wbr>αι ἓξ<br>
> κα<wbr>τὰ τὸ<wbr>ν<br>
> κα<wbr>θα<wbr>ρι<wbr>σμ<wbr>ὸ&#<wbr>957;<br>
> τῶ<wbr>ν Ἰο<wbr>υδ<wbr>αί<wbr>ων<br>
> > κε<wbr>ί&#<wbr>956;ε<wbr>να<wbr>ι<br>
> χω<wbr>ρο<wbr>ῦ&#<wbr>963;α<wbr>ι ἀν<wbr>ὰ<br>
> με<wbr>τρ<wbr>ητ<wbr>ὰ&#<wbr>962; δύ<wbr>ο<br>
> ἢ τρ<wbr>εῖ<wbr>ς<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > Now there were six stone waterpots set there for the Jewish custom of<br>
> > purification, containing twenty or thirty gallons each. (NASB)<br>
> > <br>
> > So far I have:<br>
> > <br>
> > 6. ItH wesun jainar staineine aurkiwe .q. bi tHana gahrainein Iudaie<br>
> > gasatidai...<br>
> > <br>
> > (Note: I use the partitive genitive for stain. aurk. but .q. is<br>
> > understood as a nominative)<br>
> ><br>
><br>
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