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Also, I'd be interested to hear any opinions on potential cognates of<br>
'thick' and 'murk'. I'm not at all knowledgeable about PIE, but both<br>
have cognates outside of Germanic; are theer any clues there that<br>
could help to decide the declension? Old English has ja/jo-stems:<br>
'țicce' and 'mierce', but their Modern English reflexes show no sign<br>
of palatisation. In the case of the latter, at least, this might be<br>
due to its being influenced by, or reintroduced by, the Norse cognate:<br>
'myrkr', masc. ac. sg. 'myrkvan'. Otherwise, the OED speculates that<br>
the palatisation in English might have been blocked by an intervening<br>
-w-. I suppose an alternative could be that palatisation failed, if<br>
it was an old u-stem, and non-palatised forms were generalised from<br>
those parts of the declension with no following 'i', 'j'. Koebler<br>
reconstructs Go. *țiqus, on the basis of It. 'attecchire'<wbr>, OFrench<br>
'tehir', the Germanic word, *țek(k)uz?, being from < PIE *tegu-. So<br>
I'm wondering which seems better: Go. *mairqeis (as OE mierce, OS<br>
mirki), or Go. mairqus, given that little remains of the u-stems<br>
outside of Gothic, and that many of the Gothic u-stems exist as<br>
ja/jo-stems in OE?<br>
<br>
LN<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@...<wbr>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> <br>
> > *arus (adj. wa) "quick" < Gmc. *arwaz<br>
> <br>
> Ah, yes. Thanks for that one. Any relation to *arwjo (Koebler: ohne<br>
> sichere Etymologie)? I'm not sure what the semantics of that would be<br>
> though: more haste less speed...? Koebler cites the personal names<br>
> Arosinda, Aragunti, Armirus. Medial vowels in Migration Era Germanic<br>
> personal names recorded by Classical authors are notoriously variable.<br>
> Alternatively, could these be from 'ara' "eagle"? How well are these<br>
> attested as naming elements attested in the other Germanic languages,<br>
> I wonder. Incidentally, does anyone know what the loanword (or<br>
> loanwords) is that Gamillscheg'<wbr>s *arț- "Wohnsitz, Aufenthalt;<br>
> residence, domicile" is based on. All the other Germanic dialects, as<br>
> far as I know, would be in keeping with PG *arduz, with -d-, but then<br>
> we have Go. bloț, gen. bloțis, so I suppose it's not impossible that<br>
> Gothic was the odd one out here too.<br>
> <br>
> > *aiws (Mu/i) "age" < Gmc. *aiwaz<br>
> <br>
> It follows a mixed (w)a/i declension in Gothic, doesn't it? dat. pl.<br>
> 'aiwam', acc. pl. 'aiwins'.<br>
> <br>
> > Hm. Not sure. Maybe I would do this: salus salwa-, falus falwa-...<br>
> <br>
> Maybe... That's another possibility I hadn't thought of. Although<br>
> such a variation isn't actually attested in the sparse remains of<br>
> Gothic as written, and we have got masc. nom. sg. 'manwus', and no<br>
> examples of such a variation after a consonant. But there seem to be<br>
> some conflicting views out there about, for example, 'manwus'. Is it<br>
> from *manwaz [<br>
> <a href="http://www.dbnl.org/tekst/boer043sync01/boer043sync01_001.htm">http://www.dbnl.<wbr>org/tekst/<wbr>boer043sync01/<wbr>boer043sync01_<wbr>001.htm</a> ], or<br>
> *manuz [ <a href="http://us.share.geocities.com/iliria1/etymology1.html">http://us.share.<wbr>geocities.<wbr>com/iliria1/<wbr>etymology1.<wbr>html</a> ]? The<br>
> alternation 'glaggwaba' : 'glaggwuba' suggests a sound change:<br>
> unstressed 'a' > 'u' after 'w'.<br>
> <br>
> > Unfortunately we never see *taihswa in a strong masculine nominative?<br>
> <br>
> At least we can tell that it hasn't been assimilated to the u-<br>
> (u-/ja-) declension, since there's no -j- intervening before the<br>
> ending. But maybe it's use as exclusively a weak adjective would have<br>
> forestalled the assimilation to the u-stems that others of its<br>
> declension may have undergone. Is a Gothic origin posited for Italian<br>
> 'salavo'?<br>
> <br>
> > I would lean not toward unetymology because I have the information I<br>
> > cannot avoid, nor pretend error or "casuality".<br>
> <br>
> I'm not quite sure what you're saying here. If you mean: when in<br>
> doubt, reconstruct etymologically 'correct' or regular forms, rather<br>
> than analogically altered forms, I'd tend to agree except where a<br>
> regular pattern of analogical alteration is attested in the language<br>
> (e.g. the treatment of neuter ez-stems as neuter a-stems: agis, sigis,<br>
> hatis).<br>
> <br>
> LN<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "thiudans" <thiudans@> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Hm. Not sure. Maybe I would do this: salus salwa-, falus falwa-...<br>
> > <br>
> > Orel has *salwaz and *falwaz in PGmc, but for shadow he has *skaduz,<br>
> > *skadwaz. He has for skaus *skawaz, for few *fauhaz or *fahwaz; but<br>
> > *manwuz is a (w)u-stem. There is gothic farwa- (ns. farus?)<br>
> > appearance, appearing in Orel as *farhwo'. Of course, Gothic *badus<br>
> > has only common Gmc. precursor *badwo'. Also there is<br>
> > <br>
> > *aiws (Mu/i) "age" < Gmc. *aiwaz<br>
> > *arus (adj. wa) "quick" < Gmc. *arwaz<br>
> > <br>
> > Unfortunately we never see *taihswa in a strong masculine nominative?<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > I would lean not toward unetymology because I have the information I<br>
> > cannot avoid, nor pretend error or "casuality".<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > <br>
> > > <br>
> > > I'm very tentatively leaning towards *salwus, *falwus...<br>
> > > <br>
> > > <br>
> > > --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@> wrote:<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > Does anyone have any thoughts on the best way to reconstruct<br>
> > > > hypothetical Gothic cognates for English 'sallow' and 'fallow'?<br>
> Pure<br>
> > > > u-stems: *salus (cp. skadus < *skadwaz)? Wa-stems: *salws? Or<br>
> > > > u-stems from original wa-stems with -w- retained as part of the<br>
> stem:<br>
> > > > *salwus (cp. manwus)? And is it significant that the surviving<br>
> > > > wa-stem adjectives have long roots -- CVCC (triggws), CVCV<br>
> (lasiws) --<br>
> > > > or a monosyllabic root ending in a short vowel: CV (*faus, *qius,<br>
> > > > *unskaus)?<br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > LN<br>
> > > ><br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
><br>
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