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Aftra žus awiliudo, Žiudan! Some evocative words to play with there.<br>
OE 'blįw', 'blę:w(en)' and ON 'blįr' would be consistent with PGmc.<br>
*ble:waz > Go. blews, although the [a] in the Romance loans suggests a<br>
WG origin. Would OE 'žķestru' be from another grade of this root<br>
*žus-, éo + i-umlaut in West Saxon? *žungs, *žungus, *žungwus? A<br>
synonym for 'kaurus'?<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "thiudans" <thiudans@..<wbr>.> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Orel has *žekwuz for thick with related words *žekojanan, *žekwižo, <br>
> and perhaps *žunguz, *žumon, *žusjaz and *žus-. That also should point<br>
> to Go. *žiqus which might be added to synonomize digrs and maybe in<br>
> related senses *grauts, *stiur(ei)s, *stors, *stuts, *tauhs, *trums,<br>
> *trius, *žuggs, *frams. <br>
> <br>
> He also gives *merk(w)az for murky. The Goths might also have used for<br>
> this meaning *blaus (?*bleus), *dagqs, *dimms, *dairks, *dusks,<br>
> *airps, *glums, *kźms, *salus, *swarts, *žimstrs, *žims (*žims-),<br>
> riqizeins...<wbr>.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > Also, I'd be interested to hear any opinions on potential cognates of<br>
> > 'thick' and 'murk'. I'm not at all knowledgeable about PIE, but both<br>
> > have cognates outside of Germanic; are theer any clues there that<br>
> > could help to decide the declension? Old English has ja/jo-stems:<br>
> > 'žicce' and 'mierce', but their Modern English reflexes show no sign<br>
> > of palatisation. In the case of the latter, at least, this might be<br>
> > due to its being influenced by, or reintroduced by, the Norse cognate:<br>
> > 'myrkr', masc. ac. sg. 'myrkvan'. Otherwise, the OED speculates that<br>
> > the palatisation in English might have been blocked by an intervening<br>
> > -w-. I suppose an alternative could be that palatisation failed, if<br>
> > it was an old u-stem, and non-palatised forms were generalised from<br>
> > those parts of the declension with no following 'i', 'j'. Koebler<br>
> > reconstructs Go. *žiqus, on the basis of It. 'attecchire'<wbr>, OFrench<br>
> > 'tehir', the Germanic word, *žek(k)uz?, being from < PIE *tegu-. So<br>
> > I'm wondering which seems better: Go. *mairqeis (as OE mierce, OS<br>
> > mirki), or Go. mairqus, given that little remains of the u-stems<br>
> > outside of Gothic, and that many of the Gothic u-stems exist as<br>
> > ja/jo-stems in OE?<br>
> > <br>
> > LN<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > <br>
> > > > *arus (adj. wa) "quick" < Gmc. *arwaz<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Ah, yes. Thanks for that one. Any relation to *arwjo (Koebler:<br>
ohne<br>
> > > sichere Etymologie)? I'm not sure what the semantics of that<br>
would be<br>
> > > though: more haste less speed...? Koebler cites the personal names<br>
> > > Arosinda, Aragunti, Armirus. Medial vowels in Migration Era<br>
Germanic<br>
> > > personal names recorded by Classical authors are notoriously<br>
variable.<br>
> > > Alternatively, could these be from 'ara' "eagle"? How well are<br>
these<br>
> > > attested as naming elements attested in the other Germanic<br>
languages,<br>
> > > I wonder. Incidentally, does anyone know what the loanword (or<br>
> > > loanwords) is that Gamillscheg'<wbr>s *arž- "Wohnsitz, Aufenthalt;<br>
> > > residence, domicile" is based on. All the other Germanic<br>
dialects, as<br>
> > > far as I know, would be in keeping with PG *arduz, with -d-, but<br>
then<br>
> > > we have Go. blož, gen. bložis, so I suppose it's not impossible that<br>
> > > Gothic was the odd one out here too.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > > *aiws (Mu/i) "age" < Gmc. *aiwaz<br>
> > > <br>
> > > It follows a mixed (w)a/i declension in Gothic, doesn't it? <br>
dat. pl.<br>
> > > 'aiwam', acc. pl. 'aiwins'.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > > Hm. Not sure. Maybe I would do this: salus salwa-, falus falwa-...<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Maybe... That's another possibility I hadn't thought of. Although<br>
> > > such a variation isn't actually attested in the sparse remains of<br>
> > > Gothic as written, and we have got masc. nom. sg. 'manwus', and no<br>
> > > examples of such a variation after a consonant. But there seem<br>
to be<br>
> > > some conflicting views out there about, for example, 'manwus'. <br>
Is it<br>
> > > from *manwaz [<br>
> > > <a href="http://www.dbnl.org/tekst/boer043sync01/boer043sync01_001.htm">http://www.dbnl.<wbr>org/tekst/<wbr>boer043sync01/<wbr>boer043sync01_<wbr>001.htm</a> ], or<br>
> > > *manuz [ <a href="http://us.share.geocities.com/iliria1/etymology1.html">http://us.share.<wbr>geocities.<wbr>com/iliria1/<wbr>etymology1.<wbr>html</a><br>
]? The<br>
> > > alternation 'glaggwaba' : 'glaggwuba' suggests a sound change:<br>
> > > unstressed 'a' > 'u' after 'w'.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > > Unfortunately we never see *taihswa in a strong masculine<br>
> nominative?<br>
> > > <br>
> > > At least we can tell that it hasn't been assimilated to the u-<br>
> > > (u-/ja-) declension, since there's no -j- intervening before the<br>
> > > ending. But maybe it's use as exclusively a weak adjective<br>
would have<br>
> > > forestalled the assimilation to the u-stems that others of its<br>
> > > declension may have undergone. Is a Gothic origin posited for<br>
Italian<br>
> > > 'salavo'?<br>
> > > <br>
> > > > I would lean not toward unetymology because I have the<br>
information I<br>
> > > > cannot avoid, nor pretend error or "casuality".<br>
> > > <br>
> > > I'm not quite sure what you're saying here. If you mean: when in<br>
> > > doubt, reconstruct etymologically 'correct' or regular forms, rather<br>
> > > than analogically altered forms, I'd tend to agree except where a<br>
> > > regular pattern of analogical alteration is attested in the language<br>
> > > (e.g. the treatment of neuter ez-stems as neuter a-stems: agis,<br>
sigis,<br>
> > > hatis).<br>
> > > <br>
> > > LN<br>
> > > <br>
> > > <br>
> > > --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "thiudans" <thiudans@> wrote:<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Hm. Not sure. Maybe I would do this: salus salwa-, falus falwa-...<br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > Orel has *salwaz and *falwaz in PGmc, but for shadow he has<br>
*skaduz,<br>
> > > > *skadwaz. He has for skaus *skawaz, for few *fauhaz or<br>
*fahwaz; but<br>
> > > > *manwuz is a (w)u-stem. There is gothic farwa- (ns. farus?)<br>
> > > > appearance, appearing in Orel as *farhwo'. Of course, Gothic<br>
*badus<br>
> > > > has only common Gmc. precursor *badwo'. Also there is<br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > *aiws (Mu/i) "age" < Gmc. *aiwaz<br>
> > > > *arus (adj. wa) "quick" < Gmc. *arwaz<br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > Unfortunately we never see *taihswa in a strong masculine<br>
> nominative?<br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > I would lean not toward unetymology because I have the<br>
information I<br>
> > > > cannot avoid, nor pretend error or "casuality".<br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@> wrote:<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > <br>
> > > > > <br>
> > > > > I'm very tentatively leaning towards *salwus, *falwus...<br>
> > > > > <br>
> > > > > <br>
> > > > > --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@> wrote:<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > <br>
> > > > > > Does anyone have any thoughts on the best way to reconstruct<br>
> > > > > > hypothetical Gothic cognates for English 'sallow' and<br>
'fallow'?<br>
> > > Pure<br>
> > > > > > u-stems: *salus (cp. skadus < *skadwaz)? Wa-stems:<br>
*salws? Or<br>
> > > > > > u-stems from original wa-stems with -w- retained as part<br>
of the<br>
> > > stem:<br>
> > > > > > *salwus (cp. manwus)? And is it significant that the<br>
surviving<br>
> > > > > > wa-stem adjectives have long roots -- CVCC (triggws), CVCV<br>
> > > (lasiws) --<br>
> > > > > > or a monosyllabic root ending in a short vowel: CV (*faus,<br>
> *qius,<br>
> > > > > > *unskaus)?<br>
> > > > > > <br>
> > > > > > LN<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
><br>
<br>
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